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    George K
    wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 12:03 last edited by
    #817

    Here come the "reinforcements."

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • M Mik
      16 Sept 2022, 10:48

      Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

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      George K
      wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 12:05 last edited by
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      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Allegations of Russian torture from a medic.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/torment-of-hell-ukraine-medic-describes-russian-torture/ar-AA11S43M?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8d305faa24d640c58462f5e5b33c0e91

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • C Catseye3
        14 Sept 2022, 13:24

        From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 13 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

        "The Kremlin acknowledged its defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, the first time Moscow has openly recognized a defeat since the start of the February 2022 invasion of Ukraine.

        "Kremlin officials and state media propagandists are extensively discussing the reasons for the Russian defeat in Kharkiv Oblast, a marked change from their previous pattern of reporting on exaggerated or fabricated Russian successes with limited detail."

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        Catseye3
        wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 13:24 last edited by
        #819

        From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 15 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

        "Ukrainian forces are continuing counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine, increasingly pressuring Russian positions and logistics lines in eastern Kharkiv, northern Luhansk, and eastern Donetsk oblasts.

        "Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing ground operations southwest of Izyum, near Lyman, and on the east bank of the Oskil River, reportedly compelling Russian forces to withdraw from some areas in eastern Ukraine and reinforce others. Russian forces in eastern Ukraine will likely struggle to hold their defensive lines if Ukrainian forces continue to push farther east."

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          George K
          wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 13:29 last edited by
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          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Mik
            wrote on 16 Sept 2022, 17:01 last edited by
            #821

            Russian hypersonic missile attacks..Russia? According to this Russia has used four hypers. Three hit Ukraine, but this one his Russia.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-hypersonic-missile-may-have-accidentally-struck-russia/ar-AA11SnRD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=dbcb0342abef46baba0b4bc44693cf42

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              taiwan_girl
              wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 02:33 last edited by
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              Interesting that Prime Minister Modi of India has come out in public during a meeting with President Putin and criticized the war in Unkraine and the Russian part of it.

              Interesting that President Putin cannot just say that this is another western going against him. I believe that India is one of the few major countries trying to remain "neutral" in this

              Modi Remarks to Putin on War

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              • T taiwan_girl
                17 Sept 2022, 02:33

                Interesting that Prime Minister Modi of India has come out in public during a meeting with President Putin and criticized the war in Unkraine and the Russian part of it.

                Interesting that President Putin cannot just say that this is another western going against him. I believe that India is one of the few major countries trying to remain "neutral" in this

                Modi Remarks to Putin on War

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                Renauda
                wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 03:34 last edited by Renauda
                #823

                @taiwan_girl

                Putin does not appear to understand that, at best, India and China are only fair weather friends of Russia.

                Elbows up!

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                • R Renauda
                  17 Sept 2022, 03:34

                  @taiwan_girl

                  Putin does not appear to understand that, at best, India and China are only fair weather friends of Russia.

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                  Catseye3
                  wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 11:35 last edited by
                  #824

                  @Renauda
                  Question not of sass, but of interest: Is China anything but a fair weather friend to anybody?

                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 12:14 last edited by
                    #825

                    China.

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • C Catseye3
                      17 Sept 2022, 11:35

                      @Renauda
                      Question not of sass, but of interest: Is China anything but a fair weather friend to anybody?

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 14:23 last edited by
                      #826

                      @Catseye3

                      I believe Jolly answered the question.

                      Elbows up!

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                        George K
                        wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 14:49 last edited by
                        #827

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • C Catseye3
                          16 Sept 2022, 13:24

                          From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 15 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                          "Ukrainian forces are continuing counteroffensive operations in eastern Ukraine, increasingly pressuring Russian positions and logistics lines in eastern Kharkiv, northern Luhansk, and eastern Donetsk oblasts.

                          "Russian sources reported that Ukrainian forces are continuing ground operations southwest of Izyum, near Lyman, and on the east bank of the Oskil River, reportedly compelling Russian forces to withdraw from some areas in eastern Ukraine and reinforce others. Russian forces in eastern Ukraine will likely struggle to hold their defensive lines if Ukrainian forces continue to push farther east."

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                          Catseye3
                          wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 15:26 last edited by Catseye3
                          #828

                          From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 16 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                          "The revelations of mass graves of civilians and torture chambers in newly liberated Izyum confirm ISW’s previous assessments that the Bucha atrocities were not isolated war crimes but rather a microcosm of Russian atrocities throughout Russian-occupied areas.

                          "The Ukrainian General Staff published images on September 16 showing a mass burial site in Izyum, Kharkiv Oblast and noting that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that the site contained more than 400 bodies showing signs of torture and brutality.

                          "The Ukrainian Ministry of Reintegration reported that the number of war crimes victims in Izyum may exceed those of Bucha. The head of Ukraine’s National Police, Ihor Klymenko, stated that Ukrainian officials have found 10 Russian torture chambers in Vovchansk, Kupyansk, Balaklia, and Izyum. One torture chamber was reportedly located in the Balakliya police department, where “Russians wore masks and tortured civilians with bare electric wires,” according to Andriy Nebytov, the head of the National Police Main Directorate in the Kyiv region."

                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 16:42 last edited by
                            #829

                            Meanwhile shooting starts/resumed between Kyrgyzstan and Tajikistan, Armenia and Azerbaijan. Putin calls for peace.

                            Riiiight, Vlad.

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/as-putin-struggles-in-ukraine-conflict-in-former-ussr-states-explodes/ar-AA11U8UL?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1343a303960e48a480e054490a3f1d8b

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Mik
                              wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 17:10 last edited by
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                              An exit ramp approaching? Or maybe just not wanting to be combative.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-tells-modi-he-ll-stop-the-ukraine-invasion-he-ordered-as-soon-as-possible-after-the-indian-leader-criticized-russia-s-war-to-his-face/ar-AA11US2x?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6ae7a22822b944cd9848b90d16b4fb10

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • M Mik
                                17 Sept 2022, 17:10

                                An exit ramp approaching? Or maybe just not wanting to be combative.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-tells-modi-he-ll-stop-the-ukraine-invasion-he-ordered-as-soon-as-possible-after-the-indian-leader-criticized-russia-s-war-to-his-face/ar-AA11US2x?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6ae7a22822b944cd9848b90d16b4fb10

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 17:35 last edited by Renauda
                                #831

                                @Mik

                                I read Putin’s words as “I will stop when Ukraine surrenders all occupied territories gained to the Russian Federation and meets all terms and conditions Russia demands up to and including, unconditional surrender and the eventual dissolution of Ukraine as sovereign state and its incorporation as an “autonomous subject” into the Russian Federation”.

                                A non starter being that Putin truly believes Ukraine started the war in the place.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • R Renauda
                                  17 Sept 2022, 17:35

                                  @Mik

                                  I read Putin’s words as “I will stop when Ukraine surrenders all occupied territories gained to the Russian Federation and meets all terms and conditions Russia demands up to and including, unconditional surrender and the eventual dissolution of Ukraine as sovereign state and its incorporation as an “autonomous subject” into the Russian Federation”.

                                  A non starter being that Putin truly believes Ukraine started the war in the place.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 17:41 last edited by
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                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  Putin truly believes Ukraine started the war in the place.

                                  Do you think he really believes that, or is that the line he's feeding to the people?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • G George K
                                    17 Sept 2022, 17:41

                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    Putin truly believes Ukraine started the war in the place.

                                    Do you think he really believes that, or is that the line he's feeding to the people?

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 17 Sept 2022, 17:44 last edited by Renauda
                                    #833

                                    @George-K

                                    Yes, I am convinced of that. I would also say that he believes that Ukraine is the merely the US and Britain’s proxy in this war.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • C Catseye3
                                      17 Sept 2022, 15:26

                                      From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 16 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                      "The revelations of mass graves of civilians and torture chambers in newly liberated Izyum confirm ISW’s previous assessments that the Bucha atrocities were not isolated war crimes but rather a microcosm of Russian atrocities throughout Russian-occupied areas.

                                      "The Ukrainian General Staff published images on September 16 showing a mass burial site in Izyum, Kharkiv Oblast and noting that Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said that the site contained more than 400 bodies showing signs of torture and brutality.

                                      "The Ukrainian Ministry of Reintegration reported that the number of war crimes victims in Izyum may exceed those of Bucha. The head of Ukraine’s National Police, Ihor Klymenko, stated that Ukrainian officials have found 10 Russian torture chambers in Vovchansk, Kupyansk, Balaklia, and Izyum. One torture chamber was reportedly located in the Balakliya police department, where “Russians wore masks and tortured civilians with bare electric wires,” according to Andriy Nebytov, the head of the National Police Main Directorate in the Kyiv region."

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                                      Catseye3
                                      wrote on 18 Sept 2022, 14:33 last edited by
                                      #834

                                      @Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      From the Institute for the Study of War's Sept 17 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                      "Russian forces continue to conduct meaningless offensive operations around Donetsk City and Bakhmut instead of focusing on defending against Ukrainian counteroffensives that continue to advance.

                                      "Russian troops continue to attack Bakhmut and various villages near Donetsk City of emotional significance to pro-war residents of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) but little other importance.

                                      "The Russians are apparently directing some of the very limited reserves available in Ukraine to these efforts rather than to the vulnerable Russian defensive lines hastily thrown up along the Oskil River in eastern Kharkiv Oblast. The Russians cannot hope to make gains around Bakhmut or Donetsk City on a large enough scale to derail Ukrainian counteroffensives and appear to be continuing an almost robotic effort to gain ground in Donetsk Oblast that seems increasingly divorced from the overall realities of the theater."

                                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 18 Sept 2022, 14:51 last edited by
                                        #835

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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