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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #732

    On the other hand, Gwynne Dyer believes it was the Ukrainians or, at least, Russian mobsters in the pay of the Ukrainians:

    https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/opinion/gwynne-dyer-killing-darya-dugina-own-goal-for-ukraine-100765222/

    Dyer has some good points but for now I will stick with my earlier stated hunch for no reason other than the FSB’s reaction and official statement in the immediate aftermath of the bombing.

    Elbows up!

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    • George KG George K

      I can't find it at the moment, but earlier today I saw a video of Dugina advocating extermination of Ukranians.

      "Innocent victim" my ass.

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      Catseye3
      wrote on last edited by
      #733

      @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

      earlier today I saw a video of Dugina advocating extermination of Ukranians.

      Never heard of the girl until she unbeed. I'd say she's no loss.

      That goes for anyone who utters the words extermination and humans in the same sentence.

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #734

        Next up in weapons? Vampires.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-is-sending-ukraine-vampire-rocket-launchers-that-can-turn-a-regular-pickup-truck-into-a-drone-killer/ar-AA116f6g?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e5cbd8f41d226c99623245246a77d6da

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Next up in weapons? Vampires.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-is-sending-ukraine-vampire-rocket-launchers-that-can-turn-a-regular-pickup-truck-into-a-drone-killer/ar-AA116f6g?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e5cbd8f41d226c99623245246a77d6da

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #735

          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Next up in weapons? Vampires.

          Sometimes I thing the military and government bend over backward to come up with cute names for their projects.

          Medical trials are the same, by the way.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • Catseye3C Catseye3

            From the Institute for the Study of War's Aug 23 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

            "Russian government sources confirmed that Russia is bringing Ukrainian children to Russia and having Russian families adopt them. Russian federal subject (region) Krasnodar Krai’s Family and Childhood Administration posted about a program under which Russian authorities transferred over 1,000 children from Mariupol to Tyumen, Irkutsk, Kemerov, and Altay Krai where Russian families have adopted them. The Administration stated that over 300 children are still waiting to “meet their new families” and that citizens who decide to adopt these children will be provided with a one-time bonus by the state. Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) additionally reported that Russian officials transferred 30 Ukrainian children from Khartsyzk, Ilovaysk, and Zuhres in occupied Donetsk Oblast to Nizhny Novgorod under the guise of having the children participate in youth educational-training programs. The forcible transfer of children of one group to another “with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" is a violation of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide."

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            Catseye3
            wrote on last edited by Catseye3
            #736

            From the Institute for the Study of War's Aug 26 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

            "Russian forces did not make any claimed or assessed territorial gains in Ukraine on August 26, 2022, for the first time since August 18, 2022. However, Russian forces still conducted limited and unsuccessful ground attacks on the Eastern Axis on August 26.

            "The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) stated that unspecified actors (but almost certainly Russian forces) reconnected part of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) to the Ukrainian power grid on August 26."

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by
              #737

              Worth reading:

              https://samf.substack.com/p/constantly-operating-factors

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #738

                Great article. History repeats itself.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #739

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

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                    Horace
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #740

                    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    I'm reserving judgment until we have more information.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • Catseye3C Catseye3

                      From the Institute for the Study of War's Aug 26 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                      "Russian forces did not make any claimed or assessed territorial gains in Ukraine on August 26, 2022, for the first time since August 18, 2022. However, Russian forces still conducted limited and unsuccessful ground attacks on the Eastern Axis on August 26.

                      "The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) stated that unspecified actors (but almost certainly Russian forces) reconnected part of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) to the Ukrainian power grid on August 26."

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                      @Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      From the Institute for the Study of War's Aug 28 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                      "Russian President Vladimir Putin signed two decrees on August 27 in a reported effort to assist stateless peoples and residents of Donbas and Ukraine live and work in the Russian Federation. The first decree allows Donbas residents, Ukrainians, and stateless peoples to live and work in Russia indefinitely. The decree also allows Ukrainian and Donbas residents to work in Russia without a permit so long as they have acquired an identification card within 30 days of the August 27 decree.

                      "The second decree orders Russian social services to provide social payments to individuals forced to leave Ukraine and the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republic (DNR and LNR) for Russia after February 18, 2022."

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #742

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #743

                          Lots of updates here. Looks like there's some serious stuff going on.

                          https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/08/29/ukrainian-troops-launched-counteroffensive-in-kherson-oblast-media/

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • Catseye3C Offline
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                            Catseye3
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #744

                            Not sure this will help, but here's a bit clearer map of where the Dnipro River is:

                            00991a7e-4336-48e5-8d20-88d98cd43a5d-image.png

                            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                            • Catseye3C Offline
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                              wrote on last edited by
                              #745

                              And in case you're wondering, Dnipro is pronounced NEE-pro, more or less. The Slavik (?) guy explaining the pronunciation says that you can "almost ignore the D although it is there."

                              You know, in case you are gripped with a compulsion to rush over there and help, and need to ask directions to the NEE-pro River.

                              Be careful who you ask, though.

                              Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                              • MikM Away
                                MikM Away
                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #746

                                I'm sorry, we don't serve Dnipros.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • MikM Mik

                                  I'm sorry, we don't serve Dnipros.

                                  jon-nycJ Online
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                                  jon-nyc
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #747

                                  @Mik That’s Dracist.

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

                                  • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  • Catseye3C Offline
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                                    Catseye3
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #748

                                    0c7377ed-d53e-4218-9412-3d68ae50d922-image.png

                                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by George K
                                      #749

                                      image.jpeg

                                      Someone commented, "You know the war is going badly when leadership sidelines the people in charge and takes direct command."

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                        @Mik That’s Dracist.

                                        MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #750

                                        @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        @Mik That’s Dracist.

                                        What? Ukrainian is not a race.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                          From the Institute for the Study of War's Aug 26 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                          "Russian forces did not make any claimed or assessed territorial gains in Ukraine on August 26, 2022, for the first time since August 18, 2022. However, Russian forces still conducted limited and unsuccessful ground attacks on the Eastern Axis on August 26.

                                          "The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) stated that unspecified actors (but almost certainly Russian forces) reconnected part of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) to the Ukrainian power grid on August 26."

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                                          Catseye3
                                          wrote on last edited by Catseye3
                                          #751

                                          From the Institute for the Study of War's Aug 30 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                          "Ukrainian forces began striking Russian pontoon ferries across the Dnipro River on August 29, which is consistent with the start of the Ukrainian counteroffensive. The effects of destroying ferries will likely be more ephemeral than those of putting bridges out of commission, so attacking them makes sense in conjunction with active ground operations. Ukrainian military officials confirmed that Ukrainian forces destroyed a Russian pontoon-ferry crossing in Lvove, approximately 16km west of Nova Kakhovka on the right bank of the Dnipro River on August 29. Ukrainian and Russian sources have also reported that Ukrainian forces struck a pontoon crossing constructed out of barges near the Antonivsky Road Bridge."

                                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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