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  • A Aqua Letifer
    25 Aug 2022, 01:43

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

    @George-K

    Who is Bosch? Not the Renaissance artist I presume.

    A character in a detective series named after the artist.

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    Renauda
    wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 01:52 last edited by Renauda
    #727

    @Aqua-Letifer

    That explains it. thanks I’ll have to look it up

    Elbows up!

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      Renauda
      wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 13:53 last edited by Renauda
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      I have to disagree with the pope on this one:

      The Pope has condemned the car bomb murder of «poor girl» Daria Dugina, daughter of Russian President Vladimir Putin’s ideologue Alexander Dugin, and said she is another «innocent victim» of the war in Ukraine.

      Dugina was by no means an innocent victim of the war. She was an experienced and belligerent propagandist who was determined to wipe Ukraine off the map.

      https://news360.es/pope-condemns-murder-of-poor-girl-daria-dugina-another-innocent-victim-of-war-in-ukraine

      Elbows up!

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        Mik
        wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 14:30 last edited by
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        One can hardly advocate for what will inevitably result in mass death and destruction and be considered an innocent.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          George K
          wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 14:31 last edited by
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          I can't find it at the moment, but earlier today I saw a video of Dugina advocating extermination of Ukranians.

          "Innocent victim" my ass.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            25 Aug 2022, 14:31

            I can't find it at the moment, but earlier today I saw a video of Dugina advocating extermination of Ukranians.

            "Innocent victim" my ass.

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            Renauda
            wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 14:55 last edited by
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            Perhaps the pope, visibly in his dotage, misunderstood the Vatican’s daily intelligence briefing. That, or the briefing was less than accurate.

            Elbows up!

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              Renauda
              wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 15:09 last edited by Renauda
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              On the other hand, Gwynne Dyer believes it was the Ukrainians or, at least, Russian mobsters in the pay of the Ukrainians:

              https://www.saltwire.com/atlantic-canada/opinion/gwynne-dyer-killing-darya-dugina-own-goal-for-ukraine-100765222/

              Dyer has some good points but for now I will stick with my earlier stated hunch for no reason other than the FSB’s reaction and official statement in the immediate aftermath of the bombing.

              Elbows up!

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              • G George K
                25 Aug 2022, 14:31

                I can't find it at the moment, but earlier today I saw a video of Dugina advocating extermination of Ukranians.

                "Innocent victim" my ass.

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                Catseye3
                wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 15:11 last edited by
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                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                earlier today I saw a video of Dugina advocating extermination of Ukranians.

                Never heard of the girl until she unbeed. I'd say she's no loss.

                That goes for anyone who utters the words extermination and humans in the same sentence.

                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 21:52 last edited by
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                  Next up in weapons? Vampires.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-is-sending-ukraine-vampire-rocket-launchers-that-can-turn-a-regular-pickup-truck-into-a-drone-killer/ar-AA116f6g?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e5cbd8f41d226c99623245246a77d6da

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • M Mik
                    25 Aug 2022, 21:52

                    Next up in weapons? Vampires.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-is-sending-ukraine-vampire-rocket-launchers-that-can-turn-a-regular-pickup-truck-into-a-drone-killer/ar-AA116f6g?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e5cbd8f41d226c99623245246a77d6da

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                    George K
                    wrote on 25 Aug 2022, 22:11 last edited by
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                    @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Next up in weapons? Vampires.

                    Sometimes I thing the military and government bend over backward to come up with cute names for their projects.

                    Medical trials are the same, by the way.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      24 Aug 2022, 13:58

                      From the Institute for the Study of War's Aug 23 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                      "Russian government sources confirmed that Russia is bringing Ukrainian children to Russia and having Russian families adopt them. Russian federal subject (region) Krasnodar Krai’s Family and Childhood Administration posted about a program under which Russian authorities transferred over 1,000 children from Mariupol to Tyumen, Irkutsk, Kemerov, and Altay Krai where Russian families have adopted them. The Administration stated that over 300 children are still waiting to “meet their new families” and that citizens who decide to adopt these children will be provided with a one-time bonus by the state. Ukraine’s Main Intelligence Directorate (GUR) additionally reported that Russian officials transferred 30 Ukrainian children from Khartsyzk, Ilovaysk, and Zuhres in occupied Donetsk Oblast to Nizhny Novgorod under the guise of having the children participate in youth educational-training programs. The forcible transfer of children of one group to another “with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group" is a violation of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide."

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                      Catseye3
                      wrote on 27 Aug 2022, 12:07 last edited by Catseye3
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                      From the Institute for the Study of War's Aug 26 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                      "Russian forces did not make any claimed or assessed territorial gains in Ukraine on August 26, 2022, for the first time since August 18, 2022. However, Russian forces still conducted limited and unsuccessful ground attacks on the Eastern Axis on August 26.

                      "The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) stated that unspecified actors (but almost certainly Russian forces) reconnected part of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) to the Ukrainian power grid on August 26."

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on 27 Aug 2022, 15:07 last edited by
                        #737

                        Worth reading:

                        https://samf.substack.com/p/constantly-operating-factors

                        Elbows up!

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 27 Aug 2022, 16:47 last edited by
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                          Great article. History repeats itself.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            George K
                            wrote on 28 Aug 2022, 19:35 last edited by
                            #739

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              28 Aug 2022, 19:35

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                              Horace
                              wrote on 28 Aug 2022, 19:38 last edited by
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                              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              I'm reserving judgment until we have more information.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                27 Aug 2022, 12:07

                                From the Institute for the Study of War's Aug 26 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                "Russian forces did not make any claimed or assessed territorial gains in Ukraine on August 26, 2022, for the first time since August 18, 2022. However, Russian forces still conducted limited and unsuccessful ground attacks on the Eastern Axis on August 26.

                                "The International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) stated that unspecified actors (but almost certainly Russian forces) reconnected part of the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant (ZNPP) to the Ukrainian power grid on August 26."

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                                Catseye3
                                wrote on 29 Aug 2022, 14:24 last edited by
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                                @Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                From the Institute for the Study of War's Aug 28 Russian Offensive Campaign Assessment:

                                "Russian President Vladimir Putin signed two decrees on August 27 in a reported effort to assist stateless peoples and residents of Donbas and Ukraine live and work in the Russian Federation. The first decree allows Donbas residents, Ukrainians, and stateless peoples to live and work in Russia indefinitely. The decree also allows Ukrainian and Donbas residents to work in Russia without a permit so long as they have acquired an identification card within 30 days of the August 27 decree.

                                "The second decree orders Russian social services to provide social payments to individuals forced to leave Ukraine and the self-proclaimed Donetsk and Luhansk People’s Republic (DNR and LNR) for Russia after February 18, 2022."

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 29 Aug 2022, 15:53 last edited by
                                  #742

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 29 Aug 2022, 18:19 last edited by
                                    #743

                                    Lots of updates here. Looks like there's some serious stuff going on.

                                    https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/08/29/ukrainian-troops-launched-counteroffensive-in-kherson-oblast-media/

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Catseye3
                                      wrote on 29 Aug 2022, 18:43 last edited by
                                      #744

                                      Not sure this will help, but here's a bit clearer map of where the Dnipro River is:

                                      00991a7e-4336-48e5-8d20-88d98cd43a5d-image.png

                                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                        Catseye3
                                        wrote on 29 Aug 2022, 19:08 last edited by
                                        #745

                                        And in case you're wondering, Dnipro is pronounced NEE-pro, more or less. The Slavik (?) guy explaining the pronunciation says that you can "almost ignore the D although it is there."

                                        You know, in case you are gripped with a compulsion to rush over there and help, and need to ask directions to the NEE-pro River.

                                        Be careful who you ask, though.

                                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 29 Aug 2022, 19:36 last edited by
                                          #746

                                          I'm sorry, we don't serve Dnipros.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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