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    Mik
    wrote on 18 Mar 2022, 18:55 last edited by
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    Thanks. Looks like good reporting.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      18 Mar 2022, 18:55

      Thanks. Looks like good reporting.

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      George K
      wrote on 18 Mar 2022, 19:58 last edited by
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      @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Thanks. Looks like good reporting.

      Indeed. It also cites the website I mentioned that tracks losses on both sides.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        George K
        wrote on 19 Mar 2022, 15:25 last edited by
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        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          George K
          wrote on 19 Mar 2022, 15:31 last edited by
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          Screen Shot 2022-03-19 at 10.30.36 AM.png

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on 19 Mar 2022, 16:52 last edited by
            #63

            It's like watching March Madness and the 16 seed has made it to the Elite 8!

            The Brad

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            • L LuFins Dad
              19 Mar 2022, 16:52

              It's like watching March Madness and the 16 seed has made it to the Elite 8!

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              George K
              wrote on 19 Mar 2022, 17:14 last edited by
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              @LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:

              It's like watching March Madness and the 16 seed has made it to the Elite 8!

              For me, at least, it's fascinating to watch the losses climb.

              Even if the Ukrainian numbers are under-reported, the Russian ones are accurate because of numbered identification of the lost materiel.

              249 tanks in 24 days? Wow.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • G George K
                19 Mar 2022, 17:14

                @LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:

                It's like watching March Madness and the 16 seed has made it to the Elite 8!

                For me, at least, it's fascinating to watch the losses climb.

                Even if the Ukrainian numbers are under-reported, the Russian ones are accurate because of numbered identification of the lost materiel.

                249 tanks in 24 days? Wow.

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                jon-nyc
                wrote on 19 Mar 2022, 17:39 last edited by
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                @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:

                It's like watching March Madness and the 16 seed has made it to the Elite 8!

                For me, at least, it's fascinating to watch the losses climb.

                Even if the Ukrainian numbers are under-reported, the Russian ones are accurate because of numbered identification of the lost materiel.

                249 tanks in 24 days? Wow.

                750 tank crew probably got toasted with the tanks.

                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                -Cormac McCarthy

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on 19 Mar 2022, 18:46 last edited by
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                  An interesting video from Gun Jesus...

                  Link to video

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • J jon-nyc
                    11 Mar 2022, 17:42

                    European defense official estimates Russian KIA at 7-9k “as of a few days ago”.

                    We lost fewer Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan over 20 years than Russia has lost in Ukrainian in 3 weeks.

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                    Catseye3
                    wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 02:15 last edited by Catseye3
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                    @jon-nyc We lost fewer Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan over 20 years than Russia has lost in Ukrainian in 3 weeks.

                    So after I opened my new phone and it shared that strong thunderstorms are predicted in New Jersey, which I'm grateful for because I really needed to know that down here in Virginia this late at night, I saw this header: "Is Vlad Putin going over the edge?" Before I could read the rest my new phone did something else weird and shut down.

                    I don't want to open my new phone up again. Once a day is more than enough. So if you want to know more about Putin going over the edge or thunderstorms in New Jersey, YOYO.

                    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      George K
                      wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 11:24 last edited by
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                      Bill Roggio on air superiority:

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        20 Mar 2022, 02:15

                        @jon-nyc We lost fewer Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan over 20 years than Russia has lost in Ukrainian in 3 weeks.

                        So after I opened my new phone and it shared that strong thunderstorms are predicted in New Jersey, which I'm grateful for because I really needed to know that down here in Virginia this late at night, I saw this header: "Is Vlad Putin going over the edge?" Before I could read the rest my new phone did something else weird and shut down.

                        I don't want to open my new phone up again. Once a day is more than enough. So if you want to know more about Putin going over the edge or thunderstorms in New Jersey, YOYO.

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 12:02 last edited by
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                        @Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        @jon-nyc We lost fewer Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan over 20 years than Russia has lost in Ukrainian in 3 weeks.

                        So after I opened my new phone and it shared that strong thunderstorms are predicted in New Jersey, which I'm grateful for because I really needed to know that, I saw this header: "Is Vlad Putin going over the edge?" Before I could read the rest my new phone did something else weird and shut down.

                        I don't want to open my new phone up again. Once a day is more than enough. So if you want to know more about Putin going over the edge or thunderstorms in New Jersey, YOYO.

                        Interesting theory I heard on talk radio this morning...The host was saying that the Ukraine Invasion was a big story and should be covered as such, but believing that the American public can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time, thought that some stories such as record inflation, etc., were being undercovered on purpose. The MSM has a shiny new bauble to take Americans minds off of other things...

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 14:11 last edited by
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                          Individuals are smart. Put the smart individuals in a group and they are less smart. Put the individuals in a huge group and they are idiots.

                          Particularly over the past 10 years, I’ve worked under the belief that the mob is wrong A LOT more often than they are right. The more passionate and sure they are in their rightness, the more wrong they typically are. I’ve also believed that the answer to most questions is not on one extreme or the other, it’s typically somewhere in the middle.

                          So while I have been aghast at what’s going on in Ukraine and support the full end of hostilities on Russia’s part, the more that I see EVERYBODY wholeheartedly supporting Ukraine with such passion and fervor, the more the public believes everything that Ukraine = Good and Russia = Evil, the more I want to pull back and say “Wait a minute, what’s really going on?”

                          The Brad

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                          • L LuFins Dad
                            20 Mar 2022, 14:11

                            Individuals are smart. Put the smart individuals in a group and they are less smart. Put the individuals in a huge group and they are idiots.

                            Particularly over the past 10 years, I’ve worked under the belief that the mob is wrong A LOT more often than they are right. The more passionate and sure they are in their rightness, the more wrong they typically are. I’ve also believed that the answer to most questions is not on one extreme or the other, it’s typically somewhere in the middle.

                            So while I have been aghast at what’s going on in Ukraine and support the full end of hostilities on Russia’s part, the more that I see EVERYBODY wholeheartedly supporting Ukraine with such passion and fervor, the more the public believes everything that Ukraine = Good and Russia = Evil, the more I want to pull back and say “Wait a minute, what’s really going on?”

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 15:02 last edited by Renauda
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                            @LuFins-Dad

                            What’s really going on? Listen to what Putin says and watch what he does. Read what Dr. George and Mik have posted here. Do some research beyond mainstream slick media and decide which of the two belligerents represents a clear and present danger or existential threat to political and economic stability which one of the two is a threat to NATO. Finally ask yourself whether you believe Ukraine is a fully sovereign nation.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • L LuFins Dad
                              20 Mar 2022, 14:11

                              Individuals are smart. Put the smart individuals in a group and they are less smart. Put the individuals in a huge group and they are idiots.

                              Particularly over the past 10 years, I’ve worked under the belief that the mob is wrong A LOT more often than they are right. The more passionate and sure they are in their rightness, the more wrong they typically are. I’ve also believed that the answer to most questions is not on one extreme or the other, it’s typically somewhere in the middle.

                              So while I have been aghast at what’s going on in Ukraine and support the full end of hostilities on Russia’s part, the more that I see EVERYBODY wholeheartedly supporting Ukraine with such passion and fervor, the more the public believes everything that Ukraine = Good and Russia = Evil, the more I want to pull back and say “Wait a minute, what’s really going on?”

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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 15:08 last edited by
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                              @LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              So while I have been aghast at what’s going on in Ukraine and support the full end of hostilities on Russia’s part, the more that I see EVERYBODY wholeheartedly supporting Ukraine with such passion and fervor, the more the public believes everything that Ukraine = Good and Russia = Evil, the more I want to pull back and say “Wait a minute, what’s really going on?”

                              You're taking that way too far in my opinion. It's not that you don't know "what's really going on," it's that mobs don't do nuance.

                              There are things Ukraine and the rest of the world could have done to prevent this. And we've done other things to aggravate Russia.

                              But the mob is still right about Russia.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • A Aqua Letifer
                                20 Mar 2022, 15:08

                                @LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                So while I have been aghast at what’s going on in Ukraine and support the full end of hostilities on Russia’s part, the more that I see EVERYBODY wholeheartedly supporting Ukraine with such passion and fervor, the more the public believes everything that Ukraine = Good and Russia = Evil, the more I want to pull back and say “Wait a minute, what’s really going on?”

                                You're taking that way too far in my opinion. It's not that you don't know "what's really going on," it's that mobs don't do nuance.

                                There are things Ukraine and the rest of the world could have done to prevent this. And we've done other things to aggravate Russia.

                                But the mob is still right about Russia.

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 16:22 last edited by
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                                @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                So while I have been aghast at what’s going on in Ukraine and support the full end of hostilities on Russia’s part, the more that I see EVERYBODY wholeheartedly supporting Ukraine with such passion and fervor, the more the public believes everything that Ukraine = Good and Russia = Evil, the more I want to pull back and say “Wait a minute, what’s really going on?”

                                You're taking that way too far in my opinion. It's not that you don't know "what's really going on," it's that mobs don't do nuance.

                                There are things Ukraine and the rest of the world could have done to prevent this. And we've done other things to aggravate Russia.

                                But the mob is still right about Russia.

                                Okay...If the mob is that right, why don't we have boots on the ground? One thing that has become glaringly obvious, is that NATO forces could light up those Russian troops in the Ukraine with very light losses.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  Aqua Letifer
                                  wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 16:31 last edited by Aqua Letifer
                                  #74

                                  @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  Okay...If the mob is that right, why don't we have boots on the ground? One thing that has become glaringly obvious, is that NATO forces could light up those Russian troops in the Ukraine with very light losses.

                                  Are you serious? You honestly think that we "light up Russian" forces, they go home and we all go back to normal? You really think that's all there is to it?

                                  And by the way, that idea being insane doesn't mean Russia's innocent here. That's what I mean about the mob being right. I can't believe this needs to be explained here.

                                  Please love yourself.

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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 16:56 last edited by
                                    #75

                                    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                    -Cormac McCarthy

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                                    • A Aqua Letifer
                                      20 Mar 2022, 16:31

                                      @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      Okay...If the mob is that right, why don't we have boots on the ground? One thing that has become glaringly obvious, is that NATO forces could light up those Russian troops in the Ukraine with very light losses.

                                      Are you serious? You honestly think that we "light up Russian" forces, they go home and we all go back to normal? You really think that's all there is to it?

                                      And by the way, that idea being insane doesn't mean Russia's innocent here. That's what I mean about the mob being right. I can't believe this needs to be explained here.

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 16:57 last edited by
                                      #76

                                      @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      Okay...If the mob is that right, why don't we have boots on the ground? One thing that has become glaringly obvious, is that NATO forces could light up those Russian troops in the Ukraine with very light losses.

                                      Are you serious? You honestly think that we "light up Russian" forces, they go home and we all go back to normal? You really think that's all there is to it?

                                      And by the way, that idea being insane doesn't mean Russia's innocent here. That's what I mean about the mob being right. I can't believe this needs to be explained here.

                                      On a given day, I actually read and try to understand what Renauda writes. Russia may, or may not, have some claims to what constitutes Ukraine. For example, the Crimea. In this current situation, some of the area the separatist groups occupy.

                                      Yes, Russia is the aggressor here. But why? Secondly, how far do we go in poking the Bear? If you follow the MSM, they are crafting public opinion and beating the war drum...The question becomes why?

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 17:01 last edited by
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                                        I was wondering how long it would take.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                        • J jon-nyc
                                          20 Mar 2022, 17:01

                                          I was wondering how long it would take.

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 17:03 last edited by
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                                          @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          I was wondering how long it would take.

                                          How long it would take for what?

                                          Education is extremely important.

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