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    Mik
    wrote on 31 Jul 2022, 12:55 last edited by
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    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      Mik
      wrote on 3 Aug 2022, 14:25 last edited by Mik 8 Mar 2022, 14:26
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      Take the winning shot, says this military guy. Unfortunately, short of putting US Navy ships in a position to be challenged by the Russian navy, he doesn't say much about how to do this.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/mr-president-take-the-winning-shot-in-ukraine-already/ar-AA10g9qA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=6384930363a54086896191a20b067426

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Mik
        wrote on 4 Aug 2022, 14:16 last edited by
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        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-ukrainian-army-just-blew-up-a-russian-ammo-train-the-fourth-of-the-war/ar-AA10ij5C?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e9119916949c40f3b3c94f310c497d2e

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          4 Aug 2022, 14:16

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-ukrainian-army-just-blew-up-a-russian-ammo-train-the-fourth-of-the-war/ar-AA10ij5C?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e9119916949c40f3b3c94f310c497d2e

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          Renauda
          wrote on 4 Aug 2022, 17:16 last edited by
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          @Mik

          It is imperative that Ukraine retake and hold Kherson. It will cut off the Russians from taking Odesa and denying the Ukrainians access to the Black Sea. It will also be a political victory since the region is primarily Russian speaking.

          Elbows up!

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 9 Aug 2022, 04:35 last edited by
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            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              Renauda
              wrote on 9 Aug 2022, 13:48 last edited by Renauda 8 Sept 2022, 13:49
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              Last week Amnesty International published a report that sparked outrage from Kyiv over Ukrainian troops using civilians and civilian infrastructure as shields and military base points to fight the Russians. Here is a summary of the report and and reaction:

              https://amp.theguardian.com/world/2022/aug/07/amnesty-international-ukraine-military-report-civilians

              Yesterday, one of my Ukrainian diaspora associates emailed to me this rebuttal to the AI report. I know it’s a blog but it is nevertheless, well presented. If nothing else it shows what the Ukrainian defenders are up against in defending their country from the Russian invaders:

              https://thinpinstripedline.blogspot.com/2022/08/we-sleep-safely-in-our-beds-because.html?m=1

              Elbows up!

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                Renauda
                wrote on 9 Aug 2022, 14:04 last edited by
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                Amusing Russian disinformation although I am sure AI would buy it:

                Elbows up!

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 17:11 last edited by
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                  A hit on a Crimean air base.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-ukrainians-blew-up-a-russian-air-base-120-miles-from-the-front/ar-AA10uAlA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bcf1214e6e7f476caad8c7aebd12a5b8

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • M Mik
                    10 Aug 2022, 17:11

                    A hit on a Crimean air base.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-ukrainians-blew-up-a-russian-air-base-120-miles-from-the-front/ar-AA10uAlA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=bcf1214e6e7f476caad8c7aebd12a5b8

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 10 Aug 2022, 17:29 last edited by
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                    @Mik

                    Been following this since yesterday. There are some indications, albeit unconfirmed, that this may have been Ukrainian partisan action. Given the apparent extent of the attack I have my doubts although the Russian reaction downplaying the results of the attack lend some credence to the partisan claim. If true I wonder if Crimean Tatars were also involved?

                    Elbows up!

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                    • R Renauda
                      10 Aug 2022, 17:29

                      @Mik

                      Been following this since yesterday. There are some indications, albeit unconfirmed, that this may have been Ukrainian partisan action. Given the apparent extent of the attack I have my doubts although the Russian reaction downplaying the results of the attack lend some credence to the partisan claim. If true I wonder if Crimean Tatars were also involved?

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                      George K
                      wrote on 11 Aug 2022, 01:26 last edited by
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                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      There are some indications, albeit unconfirmed, that this may have been Ukrainian partisan action

                      I've read that as well. However, others have questioned it, because of the three, almost simultaneous explosions/strikes.

                      It might be more complicated than "partisans."

                      Also, I've read that these bases were a major staging ground for the Russian offensive in the Donbas and other regions. If that's the case, well, perhaps the Russians might have sustained a major blow.

                      On another note, the British Ministry of Defence is saying that "recruitment" into the Russian army is reaching higher, perhaps more desperate levels. Russia is opening recruitment to men under the age of 50, and there's no need for graduation from a middle school education. Some sources have claimed 80K casualties (KIA and wounded). If that's the case, then, Putin's entry into Ukraine really re-defines "meat grinder."

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 15:46 last edited by George K
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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 15:57 last edited by
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                          That's as huge as any of the Generals killed...

                          Social Media Intelligence Gathering... We are in a new world...

                          The Brad

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 15:59 last edited by
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                            May they all rot in hell.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 16:16 last edited by
                              #674

                              Good hunting, boys.

                              Elbows up!

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                                George K
                                wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 16:52 last edited by
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                                Putin's 'panic-stricken' officials in secret bid to end bloody war

                                A highly placed Kremlin official has secretly approached the West to help end the Ukraine invasion, it was claimed last night.

                                The secret member of Vladimir Putin ’s elite is said to have revealed the Kremlin is in panic and desperate for the bloody war to end.

                                Astonishing claims about the move were made in a report circulated to Western intelligence agencies.

                                It is believed senior officers and officials close to Putin are alarmed by biting Western sanctions and the failing economy caused by war.

                                Some Kremlin figures are also concerned about the increasingly alarming risks being taken such as fighting at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine.

                                The approach is likely to have been made to CIA contacts or Western diplomats, behind Putin’s back.

                                The mood in the Kremlin is said to be 'panic' as continuing sanctions invoke fear for Russia's future .

                                The Daily Mirror understands the leaked “situation report” is being taken seriously by intelligence agencies.

                                The document says: “A representative of Putin’s inner-circle sent a signal to the West about the desire to negotiate. The mood of the Kremlin elite is panic.”

                                The amazing claims goes on to label the unnamed Kremlin insider as “one of the pillars of the regime”.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • G George K
                                  15 Aug 2022, 16:52

                                  Putin's 'panic-stricken' officials in secret bid to end bloody war

                                  A highly placed Kremlin official has secretly approached the West to help end the Ukraine invasion, it was claimed last night.

                                  The secret member of Vladimir Putin ’s elite is said to have revealed the Kremlin is in panic and desperate for the bloody war to end.

                                  Astonishing claims about the move were made in a report circulated to Western intelligence agencies.

                                  It is believed senior officers and officials close to Putin are alarmed by biting Western sanctions and the failing economy caused by war.

                                  Some Kremlin figures are also concerned about the increasingly alarming risks being taken such as fighting at the Zaporizhzhia nuclear power plant in Ukraine.

                                  The approach is likely to have been made to CIA contacts or Western diplomats, behind Putin’s back.

                                  The mood in the Kremlin is said to be 'panic' as continuing sanctions invoke fear for Russia's future .

                                  The Daily Mirror understands the leaked “situation report” is being taken seriously by intelligence agencies.

                                  The document says: “A representative of Putin’s inner-circle sent a signal to the West about the desire to negotiate. The mood of the Kremlin elite is panic.”

                                  The amazing claims goes on to label the unnamed Kremlin insider as “one of the pillars of the regime”.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 17:26 last edited by
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                                  @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  The amazing claims goes on to label the unnamed Kremlin insider as “one of the pillars of the regime”.

                                  If Putin finds out, he might become part of one of the pillars of a bridge-building project.

                                  I was only joking

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                                    15 Aug 2022, 17:26

                                    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    The amazing claims goes on to label the unnamed Kremlin insider as “one of the pillars of the regime”.

                                    If Putin finds out, he might become part of one of the pillars of a bridge-building project.

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 17:59 last edited by
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                                    @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    The amazing claims goes on to label the unnamed Kremlin insider as “one of the pillars of the regime”.

                                    If Putin finds out, he might become part of one of the pillars of a bridge-building project.

                                    "Vladimir sleeps with Jimmy Hoffa"

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      15 Aug 2022, 17:26

                                      @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      The amazing claims goes on to label the unnamed Kremlin insider as “one of the pillars of the regime”.

                                      If Putin finds out, he might become part of one of the pillars of a bridge-building project.

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                                      Wim
                                      wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 18:34 last edited by
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                                      @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      The amazing claims goes on to label the unnamed Kremlin insider as “one of the pillars of the regime”.

                                      If Putin finds out, he might become part of one of the pillars of a bridge-building project.

                                      May 10th, 1941. Rudolf Hess.
                                      Didn't work out well...

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                                      • W Wim
                                        15 Aug 2022, 18:34

                                        @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        The amazing claims goes on to label the unnamed Kremlin insider as “one of the pillars of the regime”.

                                        If Putin finds out, he might become part of one of the pillars of a bridge-building project.

                                        May 10th, 1941. Rudolf Hess.
                                        Didn't work out well...

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 19:32 last edited by
                                        #679

                                        @Wim

                                        Not sure if that is a good comparison. Despite arguments to the contrary, Hess was totally crackers and by then quite out of the loop.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • R Renauda
                                          15 Aug 2022, 19:32

                                          @Wim

                                          Not sure if that is a good comparison. Despite arguments to the contrary, Hess was totally crackers and by then quite out of the loop.

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                                          Wim
                                          wrote on 15 Aug 2022, 19:45 last edited by
                                          #680

                                          @Renauda
                                          Question is: to what extent is this "secret Kremlin official" real? And if so: who's supporting this suicide mission?

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