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  • J Jolly
    17 Mar 2022, 14:24

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

    @George-K

    They’ll find out soon enough that global market for sand is limited to local supply if it even exists.

    Actually...

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/05/sand-shortage-the-world-is-running-out-of-a-crucial-commodity.html

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    Renauda
    wrote on 17 Mar 2022, 19:49 last edited by
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    @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

    @George-K

    They’ll find out soon enough that global market for sand is limited to local supply if it even exists.

    Actually...

    https://www.cnbc.com/2021/03/05/sand-shortage-the-world-is-running-out-of-a-crucial-commodity.html

    Sand can be found on almost every country on Earth, blanketing deserts and lining coastlines around the world. But that is not to say that all sand is useful. Desert sand grains, eroded by the wind rather than water, is too smooth and rounded to bind together for construction purposes.

    The sand that is highly sought after is more angular and can lock together. It is typically sourced and extracted from seabeds, coastlines, quarries and rivers around the world..

    The good news is that Arab sand won’t make the cut.

    I remember watching a business news report about six months on the growing demand for certain types of sand.

    Elbows up!

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      George K
      wrote on 18 Mar 2022, 11:50 last edited by
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      Much much more at the link.

      RUSSIAN OFFENSIVE CAMPAIGN ASSESSMENT, MARCH 17

      Key Takeaways

      • Russian forces continue to make steady territorial gains around Mariupol and are increasingly targeting residential areas of the city.
      • Ukrainian forces northwest of Kyiv launched several local counterattacks and inflicted heavy damage on Russian forces.
      • Ukrainian forces repelled Russian operations around Kharkiv and reported killing a regimental commander.
      • Ukrainian intelligence reports that Russia may have expended nearly its entire store of precision cruise missiles in the first twenty days of its invasion.
      • Russian forces deployed unspecified reserve elements of the 1st Guards Tank Army and Baltic Fleet Naval Infantry to northeastern Ukraine on March 17.
      • Russia may be parceling out elements of the reserve force that could conduct an amphibious operation along the Black Sea coast to support ongoing assaults on Mariupol, further reducing the likelihood of a Russian amphibious assault on Odesa.
      • Ukrainian forces shot down 10 Russian aircraft—including five jets, three helicopters, and two UAVs—on March 16, and Ukrainian forces continue to successfully contest Russian air operations.

      Russian forces face mounting difficulties replacing combat casualties and replacing expended munitions. The Ukrainian General Staff stated on March 17 that Russian forces will begin another wave of mobilization for the Donetsk People’s Republic’s (DNR) 1st Army Corps on March 20.[2] Ukrainian intelligence continued to report Russian forces face difficulties manning both combat and support units and increasing desertion rates.[3] The General Staff further reported that Russian forces are increasingly using indiscriminate weapons against residential areas because they used almost their entire supply of “Kalibr” and “Iskander” cruise missiles in the first 20 days of the invasion.[4] It is unclear if the Ukrainian General Staff means Russian forces have used almost all precision munitions earmarked for the operation in Ukraine or almost all missiles in Russia’s total arsenal—though likely the former.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        jon-nyc
        wrote on 18 Mar 2022, 13:34 last edited by
        #54

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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          Horace
          wrote on 18 Mar 2022, 13:42 last edited by
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          5%ers that needed to be removed.

          Education is extremely important.

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            Mik
            wrote on 18 Mar 2022, 13:51 last edited by Mik
            #56

            This is an interesting interview and supports Jon's tweet..

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/putin-has-already-begun-to-cannibalize-his-own-regime-says-investigative-journalist/vi-AAVd6R3?ocid=msedgntp

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              George K
              wrote on 18 Mar 2022, 14:21 last edited by
              #57

              Today's Russian v Ukrainian losses compared to two days ago.

              Screen Shot 2022-03-18 at 9.20.54 AM.png

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • M Mik
                18 Mar 2022, 13:51

                This is an interesting interview and supports Jon's tweet..

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/other/putin-has-already-begun-to-cannibalize-his-own-regime-says-investigative-journalist/vi-AAVd6R3?ocid=msedgntp

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                Renauda
                wrote on 18 Mar 2022, 18:21 last edited by
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                @Mik

                Similar to your link above:

                https://euromaidanpress.com/2022/03/18/war-in-ukraine-day-23-russian-army-faces-increasing-desertion-rates-moves-to-exterminate-mariupols-civilian-infrastructure/

                Elbows up!

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 18 Mar 2022, 18:55 last edited by
                  #59

                  Thanks. Looks like good reporting.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • M Mik
                    18 Mar 2022, 18:55

                    Thanks. Looks like good reporting.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 18 Mar 2022, 19:58 last edited by
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                    @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Thanks. Looks like good reporting.

                    Indeed. It also cites the website I mentioned that tracks losses on both sides.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 19 Mar 2022, 15:25 last edited by
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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 19 Mar 2022, 15:31 last edited by
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                        Screen Shot 2022-03-19 at 10.30.36 AM.png

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on 19 Mar 2022, 16:52 last edited by
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                          It's like watching March Madness and the 16 seed has made it to the Elite 8!

                          The Brad

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                            19 Mar 2022, 16:52

                            It's like watching March Madness and the 16 seed has made it to the Elite 8!

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                            George K
                            wrote on 19 Mar 2022, 17:14 last edited by
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                            @LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            It's like watching March Madness and the 16 seed has made it to the Elite 8!

                            For me, at least, it's fascinating to watch the losses climb.

                            Even if the Ukrainian numbers are under-reported, the Russian ones are accurate because of numbered identification of the lost materiel.

                            249 tanks in 24 days? Wow.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • G George K
                              19 Mar 2022, 17:14

                              @LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              It's like watching March Madness and the 16 seed has made it to the Elite 8!

                              For me, at least, it's fascinating to watch the losses climb.

                              Even if the Ukrainian numbers are under-reported, the Russian ones are accurate because of numbered identification of the lost materiel.

                              249 tanks in 24 days? Wow.

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 19 Mar 2022, 17:39 last edited by
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                              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              @LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              It's like watching March Madness and the 16 seed has made it to the Elite 8!

                              For me, at least, it's fascinating to watch the losses climb.

                              Even if the Ukrainian numbers are under-reported, the Russian ones are accurate because of numbered identification of the lost materiel.

                              249 tanks in 24 days? Wow.

                              750 tank crew probably got toasted with the tanks.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                                Jolly
                                wrote on 19 Mar 2022, 18:46 last edited by
                                #66

                                An interesting video from Gun Jesus...

                                Link to video

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • J jon-nyc
                                  11 Mar 2022, 17:42

                                  European defense official estimates Russian KIA at 7-9k “as of a few days ago”.

                                  We lost fewer Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan over 20 years than Russia has lost in Ukrainian in 3 weeks.

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                                  Catseye3
                                  wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 02:15 last edited by Catseye3
                                  #67

                                  @jon-nyc We lost fewer Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan over 20 years than Russia has lost in Ukrainian in 3 weeks.

                                  So after I opened my new phone and it shared that strong thunderstorms are predicted in New Jersey, which I'm grateful for because I really needed to know that down here in Virginia this late at night, I saw this header: "Is Vlad Putin going over the edge?" Before I could read the rest my new phone did something else weird and shut down.

                                  I don't want to open my new phone up again. Once a day is more than enough. So if you want to know more about Putin going over the edge or thunderstorms in New Jersey, YOYO.

                                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 11:24 last edited by
                                    #68

                                    Bill Roggio on air superiority:

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • C Catseye3
                                      20 Mar 2022, 02:15

                                      @jon-nyc We lost fewer Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan over 20 years than Russia has lost in Ukrainian in 3 weeks.

                                      So after I opened my new phone and it shared that strong thunderstorms are predicted in New Jersey, which I'm grateful for because I really needed to know that down here in Virginia this late at night, I saw this header: "Is Vlad Putin going over the edge?" Before I could read the rest my new phone did something else weird and shut down.

                                      I don't want to open my new phone up again. Once a day is more than enough. So if you want to know more about Putin going over the edge or thunderstorms in New Jersey, YOYO.

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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 12:02 last edited by
                                      #69

                                      @Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      @jon-nyc We lost fewer Americans in Iraq and Afghanistan over 20 years than Russia has lost in Ukrainian in 3 weeks.

                                      So after I opened my new phone and it shared that strong thunderstorms are predicted in New Jersey, which I'm grateful for because I really needed to know that, I saw this header: "Is Vlad Putin going over the edge?" Before I could read the rest my new phone did something else weird and shut down.

                                      I don't want to open my new phone up again. Once a day is more than enough. So if you want to know more about Putin going over the edge or thunderstorms in New Jersey, YOYO.

                                      Interesting theory I heard on talk radio this morning...The host was saying that the Ukraine Invasion was a big story and should be covered as such, but believing that the American public can walk and chew bubblegum at the same time, thought that some stories such as record inflation, etc., were being undercovered on purpose. The MSM has a shiny new bauble to take Americans minds off of other things...

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 14:11 last edited by
                                        #70

                                        Individuals are smart. Put the smart individuals in a group and they are less smart. Put the individuals in a huge group and they are idiots.

                                        Particularly over the past 10 years, I’ve worked under the belief that the mob is wrong A LOT more often than they are right. The more passionate and sure they are in their rightness, the more wrong they typically are. I’ve also believed that the answer to most questions is not on one extreme or the other, it’s typically somewhere in the middle.

                                        So while I have been aghast at what’s going on in Ukraine and support the full end of hostilities on Russia’s part, the more that I see EVERYBODY wholeheartedly supporting Ukraine with such passion and fervor, the more the public believes everything that Ukraine = Good and Russia = Evil, the more I want to pull back and say “Wait a minute, what’s really going on?”

                                        The Brad

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                                        • L LuFins Dad
                                          20 Mar 2022, 14:11

                                          Individuals are smart. Put the smart individuals in a group and they are less smart. Put the individuals in a huge group and they are idiots.

                                          Particularly over the past 10 years, I’ve worked under the belief that the mob is wrong A LOT more often than they are right. The more passionate and sure they are in their rightness, the more wrong they typically are. I’ve also believed that the answer to most questions is not on one extreme or the other, it’s typically somewhere in the middle.

                                          So while I have been aghast at what’s going on in Ukraine and support the full end of hostilities on Russia’s part, the more that I see EVERYBODY wholeheartedly supporting Ukraine with such passion and fervor, the more the public believes everything that Ukraine = Good and Russia = Evil, the more I want to pull back and say “Wait a minute, what’s really going on?”

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 15:02 last edited by Renauda
                                          #71

                                          @LuFins-Dad

                                          What’s really going on? Listen to what Putin says and watch what he does. Read what Dr. George and Mik have posted here. Do some research beyond mainstream slick media and decide which of the two belligerents represents a clear and present danger or existential threat to political and economic stability which one of the two is a threat to NATO. Finally ask yourself whether you believe Ukraine is a fully sovereign nation.

                                          Elbows up!

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