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The Ukraine war thread

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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    I mean does anyone think we have any leverage over Ukraine to accept this? To coin a phrase, Trump doesn't have any cards.

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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #3105

    @jon-nyc

    Up until this latest chaos in Middle East started I would say no the US does not hold the leverage it did a a year ago. Between Trump’s bluster and Wikoff’s incompetence the US has lost a lot of its previous leverage.

    From here on though and owing to the global economic fallout from the current crisis occupying Washington, there is no telling whether the initiative will pass to the Kremlin.

    Elbows up!

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    • W Do not disturb
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      Wim
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      #3106

      Petraeus on Ukraine and Russia:

      https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5818227-david-petraeus-ukraine-russia-war/

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      • W Do not disturb
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        Wim
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        #3107

        Online censorship in Russia

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2026/04/08/im-in-russia-by-blocking-telegram-the-kremlin-is-shooting-itself-in-the-foot-a92457

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          Wim
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          #3108

          American (?) pro-Kremlin commentator flees Russia

          https://uawire.org/pro-kremlin-commentator-flees-russia-after-fsb-threats-seeks-u-s-help

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          • W Do not disturb
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            Wim
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            #3109

            About Russian elite and deception. Interesting read.
            https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/73825

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            • MikM Offline
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              #3110

              Renauda, care to comment on this? I really don't know the player in enough depth to say.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-real-fear-isn-t-nato-it-s-demobilization-opinion/ar-AA21nRW6

              "You cannot subsidize irresponsibility and expect people to become more responsible." — Thomas Sowell

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              • MikM Mik

                Renauda, care to comment on this? I really don't know the player in enough depth to say.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-real-fear-isn-t-nato-it-s-demobilization-opinion/ar-AA21nRW6

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                #3111

                @Mik

                I don’t believe he is wrong in his assessment. The Kremlin’s fear is Western liberal democracy and an open pluralistic society far, far more than Nato itself. In fact the Putin and his cronies know perfectly well, that Nato is a purely defensive military alliance.

                Western liberalism however is a threat to the very concept of autocracy that Putin has being rebuilding the past 26 years. If the society were to liberalize he and his cronies along with all the Tsar’s oligarchs would held to account by the Russian people. That would unleash the undercurrent of anarchy that is ever present within the Russian political and social culture. Lenin unleashed it in October 1917 and spent the rest of his life trying to rein it back. Only the brute force of Stalin quelled it in the 1930s. Gorbachev unwittingly let the genie out of the bottle by introducing glasnost which, in turn, led to the impoverishment of the country the end of the USSR and a decade of semi anarchy under Yeltsin.

                My only quibble with the author is how he interprets Putin’s desire for control over Ukraine. While Putin does fear Ukraine becoming a Western liberal state for the reasons stated above, I truly believe that he believes his own mythology that Ukraine and Ukrainians are merely a construct of Western minds, and do not exist beyond speaking what he (and many Russians) consider a quaint country bumpkin dialect of modern Russian.

                Elbows up!

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                  taiwan_girl
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                  #3112

                  @renauda good post. So many smart people here on this forum board!!!!!😍

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                    #3113

                    I wonder if General Smith will get punished for this.

                    There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                      Putin’s cockholster in the White House would likely veto it but good to see all the same.

                      There will be no deal with Iran except UNCONDITIONAL SURRENDER. -DJT, 3/6/26

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