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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
    wrote on last edited by
    #3104

    I mean does anyone think we have any leverage over Ukraine to accept this? To coin a phrase, Trump doesn't have any cards.

    Lo, no accord shall bloom 'twixt us and that realm, save they do kneel in token of their utter, soul-deep shame! No parley shall we hold, no treaty sign, until their will is broken, and their strength doth lie as dust before our might. -DJT, 3/6/26

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    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

      I mean does anyone think we have any leverage over Ukraine to accept this? To coin a phrase, Trump doesn't have any cards.

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      Renauda
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      #3105

      @jon-nyc

      Up until this latest chaos in Middle East started I would say no the US does not hold the leverage it did a a year ago. Between Trump’s bluster and Wikoff’s incompetence the US has lost a lot of its previous leverage.

      From here on though and owing to the global economic fallout from the current crisis occupying Washington, there is no telling whether the initiative will pass to the Kremlin.

      Elbows up!

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        Wim
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        #3106

        Petraeus on Ukraine and Russia:

        https://thehill.com/policy/defense/5818227-david-petraeus-ukraine-russia-war/

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          Wim
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          #3107

          Online censorship in Russia

          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2026/04/08/im-in-russia-by-blocking-telegram-the-kremlin-is-shooting-itself-in-the-foot-a92457

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            Wim
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            #3108

            American (?) pro-Kremlin commentator flees Russia

            https://uawire.org/pro-kremlin-commentator-flees-russia-after-fsb-threats-seeks-u-s-help

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              #3109

              About Russian elite and deception. Interesting read.
              https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/73825

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              • MikM Offline
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                #3110

                Renauda, care to comment on this? I really don't know the player in enough depth to say.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-real-fear-isn-t-nato-it-s-demobilization-opinion/ar-AA21nRW6

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                • MikM Mik

                  Renauda, care to comment on this? I really don't know the player in enough depth to say.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-real-fear-isn-t-nato-it-s-demobilization-opinion/ar-AA21nRW6

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                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #3111

                  @Mik

                  I don’t believe he is wrong in his assessment. The Kremlin’s fear is Western liberal democracy and an open pluralistic society far, far more than Nato itself. In fact the Putin and his cronies know perfectly well, that Nato is a purely defensive military alliance.

                  Western liberalism however is a threat to the very concept of autocracy that Putin has being rebuilding the past 26 years. If the society were to liberalize he and his cronies along with all the Tsar’s oligarchs would held to account by the Russian people. That would unleash the undercurrent of anarchy that is ever present within the Russian political and social culture. Lenin unleashed it in October 1917 and spent the rest of his life trying to rein it back. Only the brute force of Stalin quelled it in the 1930s. Gorbachev unwittingly let the genie out of the bottle by introducing glasnost which, in turn, led to the impoverishment of the country the end of the USSR and a decade of semi anarchy under Yeltsin.

                  My only quibble with the author is how he interprets Putin’s desire for control over Ukraine. While Putin does fear Ukraine becoming a Western liberal state for the reasons stated above, I truly believe that he believes his own mythology that Ukraine and Ukrainians are merely a construct of Western minds, and do not exist beyond speaking what he (and many Russians) consider a quaint country bumpkin dialect of modern Russian.

                  Elbows up!

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                    taiwan_girl
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                    #3112

                    @renauda good post. So many smart people here on this forum board!!!!!😍

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                      #3113

                      I wonder if General Smith will get punished for this.

                      Lo, no accord shall bloom 'twixt us and that realm, save they do kneel in token of their utter, soul-deep shame! No parley shall we hold, no treaty sign, until their will is broken, and their strength doth lie as dust before our might. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                        #3114

                        Putin’s cockholster in the White House would likely veto it but good to see all the same.

                        Lo, no accord shall bloom 'twixt us and that realm, save they do kneel in token of their utter, soul-deep shame! No parley shall we hold, no treaty sign, until their will is broken, and their strength doth lie as dust before our might. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                          Lo, no accord shall bloom 'twixt us and that realm, save they do kneel in token of their utter, soul-deep shame! No parley shall we hold, no treaty sign, until their will is broken, and their strength doth lie as dust before our might. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                            I thought this video to be an excellent and realistic analysis of the current state of war in Ukraine:

                            https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-takes-aim-at-st-petersburg-putins-hometown/video-77444434

                            Elbows up!

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                              I wonder if General Smith will get punished for this.

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                              @jon-nyc said:

                              I wonder if General Smith will get punished for this.

                              "Curb stomping". Man. That is some imagery for those of us who've seen American History X. I think that movie is the reason "curb stomping" is even in the pop culture vocabulary.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                I wonder if General Smith will get punished for this.

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                                  Awwww.

                                  Lo, no accord shall bloom 'twixt us and that realm, save they do kneel in token of their utter, soul-deep shame! No parley shall we hold, no treaty sign, until their will is broken, and their strength doth lie as dust before our might. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                                    On the bright side he gets one last departing gift from Tulsi. Of course even a cursory read of the documents she ‘released’ disprove what she’s saying, but she knows no one will bother.

                                    Lo, no accord shall bloom 'twixt us and that realm, save they do kneel in token of their utter, soul-deep shame! No parley shall we hold, no treaty sign, until their will is broken, and their strength doth lie as dust before our might. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                                      jon-nyc
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                                      #3121

                                      Even Laura Loomer called her on it.

                                      Lo, no accord shall bloom 'twixt us and that realm, save they do kneel in token of their utter, soul-deep shame! No parley shall we hold, no treaty sign, until their will is broken, and their strength doth lie as dust before our might. -DJT, 3/6/26

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                                        jon-nyc
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                                        #3122

                                        Heh.

                                        Lo, no accord shall bloom 'twixt us and that realm, save they do kneel in token of their utter, soul-deep shame! No parley shall we hold, no treaty sign, until their will is broken, and their strength doth lie as dust before our might. -DJT, 3/6/26

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