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  • AxtremusA Away
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    Axtremus
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    #3096

    NYT's news analysis starts leads with this headline:

    Trump Bets on Diplomacy Without Diplomats

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/17/us/politics/trump-witkoff-kushner-diplomacy.html

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      #3097

      Four years ago today. 😞

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      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

        Four years ago today. 😞

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        #3098

        @taiwan_girl

        Arthur Dron is a 22-year-old graduate student of journalism at Ivan Franko National University of Lviv. In 2020, Dron published his first collection of poetry, Dormitory №6, which has been translated into Lithuanian, English, Polish, Italian, and Belarusian. However, now, instead of visiting lectures and receiving awards for his work, he is protecting Ukraine on the battlefield and writing poems about the experience of war. Despite the gentle quietness of his poems, Dron’s voice is loud in the sphere of modern Ukrainian poetry both in Ukraine and abroad.

        First Letter to the Corinthians

        Love is patient. Love is kind.
        It is not jealous, is not pompous.
        Love is terrified like a beast
        but it perseveres.

        Love could give up and abandon it all
        but it perseveres
        Sometimes, love has gunshot wounds to
        its legs or bullet fragments lodged in
        them.

        Tourniquets squeeze love’s legs,
        or it has no legs anymore.
        Then love’s friends carry love.

        Love digs trenches and lives in them.
        It gnaws ice from the bottle cut in half
        when it gets thirsty at negative four.
        Love takes up combat duty,
        gets into position
        with hernias, fevers, prostatitis,
        with blast injuries,
        asthmas and allergies,
        with a high probability
        of not making it back,
        with thoughts about
        the most significant one.
        It bears all things, believes all things,
        hopes all things, endures all things!

        Love can distinguish by ear
        the shots of rocket launchers,
        the strikes of mortar shells, and
        the movement of tanks.
        Love’s eyes hurt when it stares into the
        thermal imager for too long.
        Love wakes up at night
        when the mice in the dugout crawl
        under its field coat.
        Sometimes, love vomits long in the
        trees after heavy combat.
        Every now and then, it closes the eyes of
        its friends.
        Love wraps them up in sleeping bags
        and carries them away.

        Love never fails!
        But where there are prophecies, they
        will cease;
        where there are tongues, they will
        be stilled;
        where there is knowledge, it will pass
        away.
        For sometimes, the shelling is over,
        and friends close Love’s eyes,
        wrap it up in a sleeping bag,
        and carry it away.

        And then it passes to the living.

        Background and analysis:

        https://nanovic.nd.edu/features/the-first-letter-to-the-corinthians/

        Elbows up!

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          Renauda
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          #3099

          An excellent interview with Fiona Hill from yesterdays Global Story on BBC World Service:

          https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/w3ct71b2

          Elbows up!

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            Wim
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            #3100

            A dissenting voice on Russian television

            https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/72179

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              Renauda
              wrote last edited by Renauda
              #3101

              He might want to stay away from windows above the ground floor. Likewise don’t drink tea offered from strangers.

              In any event, he should pack underwear and a toothbrush. He may soon visit the village of Harp.

              Elbows up!

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                jon-nyc
                wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                #3102

                I find this hard to understand. The US is pressuring Ukraine to give up territory that Russia can’t seem to win militarily. Trump already stopped funding Ukraine, so what’s in it for them? Isn’t it just a straight-up win for Ukraine if the US walks away from ‘peace talks’ to focus on Iran, the (former) supplier of Russian drones?

                The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  I find this hard to understand. The US is pressuring Ukraine to give up territory that Russia can’t seem to win militarily. Trump already stopped funding Ukraine, so what’s in it for them? Isn’t it just a straight-up win for Ukraine if the US walks away from ‘peace talks’ to focus on Iran, the (former) supplier of Russian drones?

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                  #3103

                  @jon-nyc said:

                  I find this hard to understand. The US is pressuring Ukraine to give up territory that Russia can’t seem to win militarily.

                  Because Putin demands it and has disingenuously convinced Washington that to achieve an armistice, at bare minimum the US to must force Ukraine to concede all claims to the territory. It is, of course, a total deception as he fully plans to eventually take all that has been been annexed but not held or occupied. This just offers a temporary respite in the war to make Trump feel good about himself and the 30 pieces of silver from Putin in his pocket.

                  Elbows up!

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                    jon-nyc
                    wrote last edited by
                    #3104

                    I mean does anyone think we have any leverage over Ukraine to accept this? To coin a phrase, Trump doesn't have any cards.

                    The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      I mean does anyone think we have any leverage over Ukraine to accept this? To coin a phrase, Trump doesn't have any cards.

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                      Renauda
                      wrote last edited by Renauda
                      #3105

                      @jon-nyc

                      Up until this latest chaos in Middle East started I would say no the US does not hold the leverage it did a a year ago. Between Trump’s bluster and Wikoff’s incompetence the US has lost a lot of its previous leverage.

                      From here on though and owing to the global economic fallout from the current crisis occupying Washington, there is no telling whether the initiative will pass back to the Kremlin.

                      Elbows up!

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