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The Ukraine war thread

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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by
    #3093

    Cleese cuts out an important portion of the interview - an even better short of the interview with Applebaum:

    Elbows up!

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    • AxtremusA Offline
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      Axtremus
      wrote on last edited by
      #3094

      Yeah ... quite likely the alternative will put in a better team to deal with this. (And yes, I also saw the AOC thread.)

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #3095

        Indeed, Nikki Haley would have had professional diplomats and security specialist take the lead. Nor would she have let Putin con or intimidate the US.

        Elbows up!

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        • AxtremusA Offline
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          Axtremus
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          #3096

          NYT's news analysis starts leads with this headline:

          Trump Bets on Diplomacy Without Diplomats

          https://www.nytimes.com/2026/02/17/us/politics/trump-witkoff-kushner-diplomacy.html

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          • taiwan_girlT Offline
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            taiwan_girl
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            #3097

            Four years ago today. 😞

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            • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

              Four years ago today. 😞

              RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote last edited by
              #3098

              @taiwan_girl

              Arthur Dron is a 22-year-old graduate student of journalism at Ivan Franko National University of Lviv. In 2020, Dron published his first collection of poetry, Dormitory №6, which has been translated into Lithuanian, English, Polish, Italian, and Belarusian. However, now, instead of visiting lectures and receiving awards for his work, he is protecting Ukraine on the battlefield and writing poems about the experience of war. Despite the gentle quietness of his poems, Dron’s voice is loud in the sphere of modern Ukrainian poetry both in Ukraine and abroad.

              First Letter to the Corinthians

              Love is patient. Love is kind.
              It is not jealous, is not pompous.
              Love is terrified like a beast
              but it perseveres.

              Love could give up and abandon it all
              but it perseveres
              Sometimes, love has gunshot wounds to
              its legs or bullet fragments lodged in
              them.

              Tourniquets squeeze love’s legs,
              or it has no legs anymore.
              Then love’s friends carry love.

              Love digs trenches and lives in them.
              It gnaws ice from the bottle cut in half
              when it gets thirsty at negative four.
              Love takes up combat duty,
              gets into position
              with hernias, fevers, prostatitis,
              with blast injuries,
              asthmas and allergies,
              with a high probability
              of not making it back,
              with thoughts about
              the most significant one.
              It bears all things, believes all things,
              hopes all things, endures all things!

              Love can distinguish by ear
              the shots of rocket launchers,
              the strikes of mortar shells, and
              the movement of tanks.
              Love’s eyes hurt when it stares into the
              thermal imager for too long.
              Love wakes up at night
              when the mice in the dugout crawl
              under its field coat.
              Sometimes, love vomits long in the
              trees after heavy combat.
              Every now and then, it closes the eyes of
              its friends.
              Love wraps them up in sleeping bags
              and carries them away.

              Love never fails!
              But where there are prophecies, they
              will cease;
              where there are tongues, they will
              be stilled;
              where there is knowledge, it will pass
              away.
              For sometimes, the shelling is over,
              and friends close Love’s eyes,
              wrap it up in a sleeping bag,
              and carry it away.

              And then it passes to the living.

              Background and analysis:

              https://nanovic.nd.edu/features/the-first-letter-to-the-corinthians/

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote last edited by
                #3099

                An excellent interview with Fiona Hill from yesterdays Global Story on BBC World Service:

                https://www.bbc.com/audio/play/w3ct71b2

                Elbows up!

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                • W Offline
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                  Wim
                  wrote last edited by
                  #3100

                  A dissenting voice on Russian television

                  https://www.kyivpost.com/opinion/72179

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote last edited by Renauda
                    #3101

                    He might want to stay away from windows above the ground floor. Likewise don’t drink tea offered from strangers.

                    In any event, he should pack underwear and a toothbrush. He may soon visit the village of Harp.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • jon-nycJ Offline
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                      jon-nyc
                      wrote last edited by jon-nyc
                      #3102

                      I find this hard to understand. The US is pressuring Ukraine to give up territory that Russia can’t seem to win militarily. Trump already stopped funding Ukraine, so what’s in it for them? Isn’t it just a straight-up win for Ukraine if the US walks away from ‘peace talks’ to focus on Iran, the (former) supplier of Russian drones?

                      The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        I find this hard to understand. The US is pressuring Ukraine to give up territory that Russia can’t seem to win militarily. Trump already stopped funding Ukraine, so what’s in it for them? Isn’t it just a straight-up win for Ukraine if the US walks away from ‘peace talks’ to focus on Iran, the (former) supplier of Russian drones?

                        RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote last edited by
                        #3103

                        @jon-nyc said:

                        I find this hard to understand. The US is pressuring Ukraine to give up territory that Russia can’t seem to win militarily.

                        Because Putin demands it and has disingenuously convinced Washington that to achieve an armistice, at bare minimum the US to must force Ukraine to concede all claims to the territory. It is, of course, a total deception as he fully plans to eventually take all that has been been annexed but not held or occupied. This just offers a temporary respite in the war to make Trump feel good about himself and the 30 pieces of silver from Putin in his pocket.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote last edited by
                          #3104

                          I mean does anyone think we have any leverage over Ukraine to accept this? To coin a phrase, Trump doesn't have any cards.

                          The whole reason we call them illegal aliens is because they’re subject to our laws.

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            I mean does anyone think we have any leverage over Ukraine to accept this? To coin a phrase, Trump doesn't have any cards.

                            RenaudaR Offline
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                            Renauda
                            wrote last edited by Renauda
                            #3105

                            @jon-nyc

                            Up until this latest chaos in Middle East started I would say no the US does not hold the leverage it did a a year ago. Between Trump’s bluster and Wikoff’s incompetence the US has lost a lot of its previous leverage.

                            From here on though and owing to the global economic fallout from the current crisis occupying Washington, there is no telling whether the initiative will pass back to the Kremlin.

                            Elbows up!

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