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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @blondie

    Our son works part time in a local grocery store. At least a half dozen of his coworkers are young Ukrainian women who are here under temporary work visas for Ukrainian war refugees. They are all intelligent, polite, hard working and above all appreciative of the unwavering support Canada gives their nation its just struggle against tyranny.

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    Tom-K
    wrote on last edited by
    #2728

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
    the unwavering support Canada gives their nation its just struggle against tyranny.

    Show off. 😁

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    • Tom-KT Tom-K

      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
      the unwavering support Canada gives their nation its just struggle against tyranny.

      Show off. 😁

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #2729

      @Tom-K

      Hey, we do what we can. Slava Ukraini!

      We would do the same if it were Poland on Putin’s supper menu. Sto lat! 🇵🇱

      Elbows up!

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on last edited by
        #2730

        Guys, this is old news. January 28th or so, there was an EO basically halting all of the renewals and extensions for the TPS and Refugee programs. This was primarily aimed at those feline feasting Haitians in Springfield and Charleroi, along with the Venezuelan gang members hiding among the legitimate refugees. There are alternative methods to deal with the individual requests for asylum, they just aren’t doing blanket renewals like the prior administration.

        This is a journalism instance of malicious implementation.

        The Brad

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on last edited by
          #2731

          The EO directed DHS to end all the specialized parole programs. This is the implementation. Had they wished to limit it to Haiti and Venezuela they could have chosen that route instead.

          In fairness, the administration has recently said no decision has been made, so maybe they’ll still back off this one.

          You were warned.

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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #2732

            Appears that Trump may have sent his headhunters to Ukraine in search of potential Quislings for president but found none:

            Ex-President Petro Poroshenko's team works "publicly and transparently" with U.S. partners to ensure bipartisan support for Ukraine, Poroshenko said on March 6, reiterating his opposition to elections during the war.

            His comments came in reaction to Politico's article, which claimed that U.S. President Donald Trump's team has been leading secret talks with Poroshenko and another opposition leader, Yuliia Tymoshenko, as Washington ramps up pressure against President Volodymyr Zelensky.

            https://kyivindependent.com/poroshenko-tymoshenko-reaffirm-opposition-to-elections-under-martial-law-after-claims-of-us-contacts/

            They may now have to go to Moscow for recommendations on the Kremlin’s preferred candidates for the job.

            Elbows up!

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              Axtremus
              wrote on last edited by
              #2733

              About Ukrainian immigrants going to Canada, it may be a win-win.

              Just seems to me with Canada's large habitable landmass and its very low fertility rate of only 1.33, Canada really can use more people.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                About Ukrainian immigrants going to Canada, it may be a win-win.

                Just seems to me with Canada's large habitable landmass and its very low fertility rate of only 1.33, Canada really can use more people.

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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #2734

                @Axtremus said in The Ukraine war thread:

                About Ukrainian immigrants going to Canada, it may be a win-win.

                Just seems to me with Canada's large habitable landmass and its very low fertility rate of only 1.33, Canada really can use more people.

                Alaska also has a lot of landmass. Living in the North is usually not something everyone can do.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  About Ukrainian immigrants going to Canada, it may be a win-win.

                  Just seems to me with Canada's large habitable landmass and its very low fertility rate of only 1.33, Canada really can use more people.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #2735

                  @Axtremus said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  About Ukrainian immigrants going to Canada, it may be a win-win.

                  Just seems to me with Canada's large habitable landmass and its very low fertility rate of only 1.33, Canada really can use more people.

                  Ukrainian culture is deeply interwoven into
                  many parts of urban and rural Western Canada. It is in fact, become part the Canadian identity. Ukrainian immigration is always welcomed here and as you point out, we have plenty of hospitable empty space - space that resembles their Ukrainian homeland. Much greater than even Alaska! Imagine that,eh ?

                  Elbows up!

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #2736

                    Donald Trump says he's considering new sanctions and tariffs on Russia, following a wave of overnight strikes on Ukraine.
                    He writes: "Based on the fact that Russia is absolutely 'pounding' Ukraine on the battlefield right now, I am strongly considering large scale Banking Sanctions, Sanctions, and Tariffs on Russia until a Cease Fire and FINAL SETTLEMENT AGREEMENT ON PEACE IS REACHED.

                    "To Russia and Ukraine, get to the table right now, before it is too late. Thank you!!!"

                    https://www.bbc.com/news/live/cg70jylp32gt?post=asset%3A87f377ab-8e28-43c0-ac22-e15dc2e9c0f5#post

                    OMG, a strongly worded Tweet from a twat that ends with a meaningless one line zinger. Pathetic. Like a parent telling little kids to get to bed or get a licking. Surely Putin is shitting bricks in abject fear now.

                    How about flipping the intelligence sharing switch back on, Donald? Why do you think more sanctions would work after you yourself said they don’t work against Putin? Tariffs? The US buys next to nothing from Russia. What would tariffs accomplish? The US can only tariff what it imports.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • X Offline
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                      xenon
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2737

                      Douglas Murray’s take

                      the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.

                      https://archive.is/iQBYY

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                      • X xenon

                        Douglas Murray’s take

                        the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.

                        https://archive.is/iQBYY

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                        Horace
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                        #2738

                        @xenon Thanks for the paywall-avoiding link. That's the first piece I think I've ever read that gave more words to a steel-manning of the opposing viewpoint than to the rebuttal.

                        I am unfamiliar in the public discourse with the version of the opposition that he is referring to. It's not coming from the white house, or the Daily Wire, or Megyn Kelly, or Fox News, or VDH. Well, Trump did call Zelensky a dictator once, which he later refused to acknowledge when asked about it.

                        Wittingly or otherwise, the MAGA online right started to absorb Russia’s narrative on Ukraine: that it isn’t a real country, that the Ukrainians aren’t a real people, that if they are a real people then they are uniquely corrupt. On and on it went: that Ukrainian soldiers are ‘literal’ Nazis, that Zelensky is constantly buying villas and yachts in the south of France, that the whole war is one big money-laundering operation, that Ukraine’s war to push the Russians back is unwinnable because of the great might of the Russian army – and that the whole thing is a giant waste of US taxpayers’ money.

                        Of course, almost all the allegations the MAGA right make against Ukraine are infinitely truer of Putin’s Russia. Interested in international corruption? Try looking at Putin and his friends. Interested in an anti-Christian government? How about looking to the cynical faith of Putin, who trumpets Christian values while firing rockets at great cathedrals like that in Odessa and recruiting jihadists to fight for him. Think Ukraine is cruel in forcing draft-dodgers into the army? Consider Putin’s army recruitment processes. Dislike Zelensky for not holding an election during a total war? Have you noticed Putin’s electoral habits?

                        By this stage Ukraine is not just a country that the MAGA right has never visited. It is a fantasy country that they imagine they know everything about – and all of it is bad.

                        Perhaps they will manage to wade their way out of the memes. Or perhaps they will find out the hard way that most of the American public may dislike woke, but they dislike dictators too – and that it is possible to keep both these dislikes inside one head, and movement, at the same time.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • X xenon

                          Douglas Murray’s take

                          the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.

                          https://archive.is/iQBYY

                          RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2739

                          @xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Douglas Murray’s take

                          the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.

                          https://archive.is/iQBYY

                          I assume that was written last April.
                          Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.

                          As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .

                          Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • MikM Away
                            MikM Away
                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2740

                            Very good piece.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2741

                              Been a fan of his since The Strange Death of Europe.

                              You were warned.

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                              • JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2742

                                I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.

                                It shows that :

                                A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
                                B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue? 😄

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                • JollyJ Jolly

                                  I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.

                                  It shows that :

                                  A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
                                  B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue? 😄

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #2743

                                  @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.

                                  It shows that :

                                  A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
                                  B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue? 😄

                                  You really want to know?

                                  A blowhard coffee and doughnut shop gossip and lout who figures he’s the just the cock-o’th’-walk on all and sundry.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.

                                    It shows that :

                                    A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
                                    B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue? 😄

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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2744

                                    @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.

                                    It shows that :

                                    A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
                                    B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue? 😄

                                    Yeah, I don't think the piece argued against any mainstream position on the right.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                    • HoraceH Horace

                                      @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.

                                      It shows that :

                                      A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
                                      B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue? 😄

                                      Yeah, I don't think the piece argued against any mainstream position on the right.

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #2745

                                      @Horace

                                      Yeah, I don't think the piece argued against any mainstream position on the right.

                                      I would have worded that as follows :

                                      I don’t think the piece argued against any true liberal or true conservative position.
                                      Rather Murray is arguing against the prevailing populist and extreme fringes of both traditions.

                                      Besides, it is not and has never been, a left vs right issue. It is an issue of whether or not wanton and unjustifiable military aggression to acquire your neighbour’s territory with an expressed political objective to wipe them off the map is acceptable in modern day Europe. It was not in 1939 and nor is it again beginning in 2014 through to now. That is the issue.

                                      Only Americans and Russians talk in this nonsensical dialectic of permanent struggle dividing the world into the moral right vs immoral left. It’s every bit as ridiculous the Trotskyist Theory of Permanent Revolution in Marxist thought.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        @xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        Douglas Murray’s take

                                        the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.

                                        https://archive.is/iQBYY

                                        I assume that was written last April.
                                        Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.

                                        As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .

                                        Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.

                                        LuFins DadL Offline
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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2746

                                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        @xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        Douglas Murray’s take

                                        the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.

                                        https://archive.is/iQBYY

                                        I assume that was written last April.
                                        Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.

                                        As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .

                                        Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.

                                        It was actually written a few days ago.

                                        Thank you, @xenon , I had let my subscription for the FP go last month. I had seen Murray tweet the article but couldn’t access it. Excellent piece..

                                        @Horace , if you go to X, you will find plenty of these anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin right wingers. And unfortunately, many of them are close to Vance’s circle.

                                        The Brad

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          @xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Douglas Murray’s take

                                          the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.

                                          https://archive.is/iQBYY

                                          I assume that was written last April.
                                          Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.

                                          As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .

                                          Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.

                                          It was actually written a few days ago.

                                          Thank you, @xenon , I had let my subscription for the FP go last month. I had seen Murray tweet the article but couldn’t access it. Excellent piece..

                                          @Horace , if you go to X, you will find plenty of these anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin right wingers. And unfortunately, many of them are close to Vance’s circle.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #2747

                                          @LuFins-Dad

                                          It was actually written a few days ago.

                                          Thanks. That makes the piece even more relevant to the present.

                                          Being that was archived and there was a notice at the end referencing something or another on 14 April I just assumed it from last year.

                                          Elbows up!

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