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  • bachophileB Offline
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    bachophile
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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #2253

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        #2254

        If Ukraine was still a nuclear power, we wouldn't have the map.

        Putin made sure that no country will ever give up their nukes for any reason.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • MikM Offline
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          Yes he did.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            IMG_8550.jpeg

            You were warned.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #2257

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
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                #2258

                Good Dog!

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • Darth PutinD Offline
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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • W Offline
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                      Wim
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                      Lukashenko foreseeing trouble...
                      https://www.kyivpost.com/analysis/37503

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        I wonder what that’s about. Maybe he just doesn’t want to get invaded too.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          President Putin is at a loss with his armies getting stomped in Kursk and in desperation, he summons the ghost of Jozef Stalin.

                          Stalin says: Why have you summoned me?

                          Putin: Help. The Nazis have returned to Kursk and my Armies are getting crushed! What can I do?

                          Stalin: Do what I did in 1943. Send the best Ukrainian troops to Kursk and ask the US for weapons.

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            President Putin is at a loss with his armies getting stomped in Kursk and in desperation, he summons the ghost of Jozef Stalin.

                            Stalin says: Why have you summoned me?

                            Putin: Help. The Nazis have returned to Kursk and my Armies are getting crushed! What can I do?

                            Stalin: Do what I did in 1943. Send the best Ukrainian troops to Kursk and ask the US for weapons.

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                            Mik
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                            @taiwan_girl 😄

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              jon-nyc
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                              That’s good

                              You were warned.

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                https://ombreolivier.substack.com/p/four-key-russian-rail-junctions?utm_campaign=post&triedRedirect=true


                                Some Russian railways thoughts inspired by recent threads from TrentTelenko(https://threadreaderapp.com/user/trenttelenko) and Prune602 (https://threadreaderapp.com/user/Prune602) on the Xitters. There are four rail nodes in increasing distance from Ukraine that, if taken out, will completely screw Russian supply to the war zone. They are Kursk (or any where south of it), Stary Ospol, Liski and somewhere around Volgograd. See this openrailwaymap and the following screenshot of it.

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                                The key locations (from L to R): Kursk, Stary Ospol, Liski and Volgograd
                                These nodes are key because they are junctions on the electrified main lines to the border area and especially (in the case of the last two) to Rostov-on-Don which Russia uses for all it’s logistics into the southern section of the war. The first two take out logistics for Kursk/Karkiv area and one major access to Belgorod (for Northern Lukhansk) respectively. Russia relies on its electrified lines as it has far more electrical locomotives than diesel....

                                A final point. Unlike, say, airfields or ammo dumps railways stretch a very very long way. That’s the whole point, especially in Russia which is a truly enormous country. But unlike roads there typically aren’t bypasses available for when the rail line is out in one spot. As you can see from the map at the top of this post if you take out a few nodes then there are no ways around. None. No bypasses or old roads on the other side of the valley. And this is particularly true of electrified ones. If the line is not electrified then your electric locomotives can’t go there. So if you take out the junctions between different electified lines and/or the junctions between electrified and non-electrified lines then you break the network.

                                Worse, it’s hard to overtake trains. On a single track line it is impossible. On a double track line there are only occasional places where someone built the points to allow a train to move from one track to another. If you take the power out an electric train will stop where it is. If it stops near to a train in the opposite direction there may be no way to change tracks between them.

                                Russia is aware of this and has railway repair workers ready to spring into action ASAP when there’s an issue. But even though these repair teams exist, if there are enough hits in enough places then they can’t fix them all. This is the sort of thing that drone warfare is excellent at. There’s no need to hit the (probably defended) marshalling yard or junction. Just take out a rail or an overhead wire 2 miles out one way and 5 miles out another. Keep doing this. Every day and twice on Sundays.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Wim
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                                  Same could be said about Ukrainian railways....

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                                  • W Wim

                                    Same could be said about Ukrainian railways....

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                                    George K
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                                    @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    Same could be said about Ukrainian railways....

                                    Of course, yes. Taking a railway out, especially an electrified one, could be crippling.

                                    I wonder, however, if Ukraine has similar "choke points" for movement of goods.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Plus much smaller communication lines generally.

                                      You were warned.

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                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/opinion-another-russian-mercenary-leader-has-turned-against-putin/ar-AA1pgrO4?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=e0e6e0cc3dc743bcb010f5b72e4b2d90&ei=12

                                        Here’s Zakrevsky’s diatribe against Putin, in my translation:

                                        “Our country is not just on the brink of disaster or already right next to it; our country is already in trouble. In big trouble. Drones are flying all over central Russia, right up to Moscow and St. Petersburg. They even attacked the Kremlin. Our Black Sea fleet is being pushed out. It’s being pushed out as if we were not a great power with a great fleet, but some third-rate country.

                                        “Our air force is practically not working because it is also being pushed out. We are standing in the same positions that we took more than two years ago, and partly in those to which we retreated. The population is dying out, becoming impoverished, drinking itself to death: no one cares. All they have time to do is bring in migrants.”

                                        Zakrevsky minces no words in assigning blame for this sad state of affairs: “And all this was done by the so-called ‘president.’ The ‘Great’ Putin.”

                                        After accusing army officers of incompetence and worse, Zakrevsky concludes his screed with an appeal “to those who are in the trenches. You know very well what kind of indecency is happening there now….You know very well the faces that are mocking you and your relatives…. We call on everyone to join our union to save our country. The point of no return has already been passed.”

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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