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    George K
    wrote on 8 May 2023, 16:16 last edited by
    #1624

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Mik
      wrote on 8 May 2023, 16:41 last edited by
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      That boy just has no idea how to win friends and influence people. I still hope one day to see him hang.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        kluurs
        wrote on 11 May 2023, 03:46 last edited by
        #1626

        launch. Wow!

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          Mik
          wrote on 11 May 2023, 12:32 last edited by
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          Wow. If those are all shells, that's a lot of destruction.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • M Mik
            11 May 2023, 12:32

            Wow. If those are all shells, that's a lot of destruction.

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            Renauda
            wrote on 11 May 2023, 14:40 last edited by Renauda 5 Nov 2023, 15:20
            #1628

            @Mik

            They’re the modern version of the WWII Katyusha rockets or as the Germans called the them,Stalin’s organowing to their peculiar sound when airborne. Essentially high explosive mortars with limited accuracy. German’s had a similar weapon, neibelwerfer.

            More:

            https://militaryhistorynow.com/2021/01/19/stalins-organ-10-things-you-didnt-know-about-russias-katyusha-rocket-2/

            Elbows up!

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              Jolly
              wrote on 11 May 2023, 14:57 last edited by
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              If those are MLRS, I think the accuracy and range may surprise you.

              https://www.army-technology.com/projects/mlrs/

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                George K
                wrote on 11 May 2023, 21:28 last edited by
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                Ukraine counteroffensive thread

                https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1656727045076819969.html

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 11 May 2023, 21:29 last edited by
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                  "Norilsk is home to one of the largest nickel and palladium deposits in the world. These minerals are considered to be strategic resources and are therefore closely monitored and controlled by the Russian government. The mining and processing of these metals are conducted by Norilsk Nickel, a major Russian mining company that is responsible for a significant portion of the world's production of nickel and palladium. Additionally, the region is home to other valuable resources, such as copper and cobalt, which are also mined and processed in Norilsk. Due to the strategic importance of these materials, they are closely monitored and protected by both the company and the Russian government."

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 11 May 2023, 21:38 last edited by
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                    It would appear the Ukranian planning and strategy is light years ahead of Russia's.

                    Gosh, it's almost like someone's helping them. 😑

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on 13 May 2023, 05:45 last edited by Renauda
                      #1633

                      Putin, a most dangerous fool:

                      https://czechia.postsen.com/trends/amp/131492

                      Elbows up!

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                        13 May 2023, 05:45

                        Putin, a most dangerous fool:

                        https://czechia.postsen.com/trends/amp/131492

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                        Wim
                        wrote on 13 May 2023, 09:49 last edited by Wim
                        #1634

                        @Renauda This we already know for some time...

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                          13 May 2023, 05:45

                          Putin, a most dangerous fool:

                          https://czechia.postsen.com/trends/amp/131492

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                          Aqua Letifer
                          wrote on 13 May 2023, 13:14 last edited by
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                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Putin, a most dangerous fool:

                          https://czechia.postsen.com/trends/amp/131492

                          Option B would make him look better. He could rationalize that he would win a greater land grab, too.

                          Please love yourself.

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 13 May 2023, 14:45 last edited by Mik
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                            Freedom of Russia Legion. Don't know how credible this is, 1945 being a very biased site, but it's not terribly hard to believe. I'd bet there are a whole lot of deserters and defectors.

                            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/how-the-ukraine-war-ends-putin-gets-crushed-by-guerilla-fighters/ar-AA1b8K1R?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=57dcfbb40c7a43f0b02539f1cf1beca7&ei=19

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              13 May 2023, 13:14

                              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Putin, a most dangerous fool:

                              https://czechia.postsen.com/trends/amp/131492

                              Option B would make him look better. He could rationalize that he would win a greater land grab, too.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 13 May 2023, 15:06 last edited by
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                              @Aqua-Letifer

                              Option B is not an option for either Ukraine or future European security. Any consideration of an outcome that would result in a neutral Ukrainian rump state is long past. Besides in the Kremlin playbook, neutrality is meaningless and in the case of Ukraine, the term only confirms that in Moscow’s mind, Ukraine has no right to exist in the first place.

                              Elbows up!

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                                13 May 2023, 15:06

                                @Aqua-Letifer

                                Option B is not an option for either Ukraine or future European security. Any consideration of an outcome that would result in a neutral Ukrainian rump state is long past. Besides in the Kremlin playbook, neutrality is meaningless and in the case of Ukraine, the term only confirms that in Moscow’s mind, Ukraine has no right to exist in the first place.

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                                Aqua Letifer
                                wrote on 13 May 2023, 16:34 last edited by
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                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                @Aqua-Letifer

                                Option B is not an option for either Ukraine or future European security. Any consideration of an outcome that would result in a neutral Ukrainian rump state is long past. Besides in the Kremlin playbook, neutrality is meaningless and in the case of Ukraine, the term only confirms that in Moscow’s mind, Ukraine has no right to exist in the first place.

                                Right. What I was trying to say was, Option A appears to be a more definitive loss for Russia. Option B would create a lot more uncertainty, so because the outcome would be more ambiguous, hey, might mean Russia could win some, who knows. Wouldn't that be preferable in Putin's mind over certain draw/defeat?

                                Please love yourself.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 14 May 2023, 11:36 last edited by
                                  #1639

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 14 May 2023, 12:02 last edited by
                                    #1640

                                    That can't be good.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 14 May 2023, 15:20 last edited by
                                      #1641

                                      Not at all.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 14 May 2023, 18:08 last edited by
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                                        A bad day for the Russian Air Force.


                                        The Russian Air Force appears to have had one of its worst days of the war in more than a year on Saturday. While details remain limited and are likely to change, it appears Russia lost two Mi-8 Hip helicopters, a Su-34 Fullback strike fighter, and a Su-35 Flanker-E, with no survivors. What makes all this especially troubling for the Russian Air Force, is that all these losses happened in its own country, in areas not too far from the border with Ukraine.

                                        All four aircraft came down in Bryansk Oblast, well within Russian territory opposite northeast Ukraine’s Chernihiv Oblast. Video shows one of the Mi-8s breaking up after what looks as if a missile hits it near the town of Klintsy, about 50 kilometers north of the Ukrainian border.


                                        Some are saying friendly fire.

                                        So, there you go.

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                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 15 May 2023, 12:15 last edited by
                                          #1643

                                          Wagner Chief Denies Offering Russian Troop Positions to Ukraine


                                          The founder of Russia’s Wagner mercenary group Yevgeny Prigozhin called reports that he offered information on Russian troop positions to Ukraine "laughable" and a result of a possible smear campaign.

                                          The Washington Post reported earlier Monday that Prigozhin had offered to reveal Russian troop positions to Ukrainian military intelligence in exchange for Kyiv’s withdrawal from Bakhmut.

                                          Wagner's fighters have been at the forefront of Russia's monthslong effort to capture the embattled eastern Ukrainian city of Bakhmut, whose value is more symbolic than strategic.

                                          Prigozhin laughed off The Washington Post's report in an audio message posted on Telegram.

                                          "Reading this is of course nice. It means I am not only fighting for Russia but Zelensky is also fulfilling my orders," Prigozhin said.

                                          "This is laughable."

                                          He said "people from Rublyovka" — a luxurious Moscow suburb home to the Russian elite — could be behind the allegations.

                                          "Of course they will pour as much s*** on me as they can," he said.

                                          The Washington Post report, based on classified Pentagon documents leaked on the gaming platform Discord, said Prigozhin made the offer to Ukraine’s military intelligence directorate, GUR, in late January amid intelligence indicating high losses and low morale among Wagner troops.

                                          The Pentagon leak did not specify which Russian troop positions Prigozhin had offered to pass on.

                                          Kyiv was said to have rejected Prigozhin’s proposals due to a lack of trust in his intentions. The Washington Post cited an unnamed U.S. official as saying Washington shared Kyiv’s doubts.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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