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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @George-K

    China will, for the foreseeable future, strengthen regardless of what happens inside Russia.

    Although I am loathe to sound like a bean counting technocrat, after the trillion plus dollars, GBP and Euros in investment, technical assistance and humanitarian aid that the West has pumped into the USSR and The Russian Federation, why would the West want not wash its hands of the place?

    MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #1614

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

    @George-K

    China will, for the foreseeable future, strengthen regardless of what happens inside Russia.

    Although I am loathe to sound like a bean counting technocrat, after the trillion plus dollars, GBP and Euros in investment, technical assistance and humanitarian aid that the West has pumped into the USSR and The Russian Federation, why would the West want not wash its hands of the place?

    “If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man.”

    ― Mark Twain

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      taiwan_girl
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      #1615

      https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-100-dolphins-feared-dead-152539781.html

      "Russian naval activity due to the war in Ukraine may have killed more than 100 dolphins in the Black Sea last month, scientists are reporting."

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        A. Could be propaganda.
        B. Could be Russian drones.

        RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #1616

        @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

        A. Could be propaganda.
        B. Could be Russian drones.

        C. Could be Putin playing the victim and craving attention.
        D. Probably all of the above.

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Away
          MikM Away
          Mik
          wrote on last edited by Mik
          #1617

          That's a lot of the problem. I see things all day long from Ukrainya Pravda. I don't believe they are any more reliable than RT. I'm not sure I believe most of what I read from US sources.

          You'd think they could have used some name other than Pravda. It comes with a lot of baggage.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Mik

            That's a lot of the problem. I see things all day long from Ukrainya Pravda. I don't believe they are any more reliable than RT. I'm not sure I believe most of what I read from US sources.

            You'd think they could have used some name other than Pravda. It comes with a lot of baggage.

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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #1618

            @Mik

            My understanding is the UP despite its name is fairly reliable with a moderate centre left bias in its editorials. Unlike RT which is wholly Kremlin owned and controlled, UP’s ownership appears to be held by private interests.

            I certainly do not rely on North American MSM for news on that part of the world. American think tanks and universities on the other hand, produce a lot of first rate information on the war much of which is posted to YouTube or their individual websites. Likewise Radio Liberty/Radio Free Europe offers good reporting and if nothing else provides good starting points for more in depth searching of specific items.

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by
              #1619

              Explosions over the Kremlin?
              https://open.substack.com/pub/snyder/p/explosion-over-the-kremlin?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote on last edited by
                #1620

                The problem is you cannot believe a word they say. Even if they have video.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by George K
                  #1621

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1622

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1623

                      Sounds propaganda-ish to me.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1624

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1625

                          That boy just has no idea how to win friends and influence people. I still hope one day to see him hang.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • kluursK Offline
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                            kluurs
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1626

                            launch. Wow!

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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1627

                              Wow. If those are all shells, that's a lot of destruction.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                Wow. If those are all shells, that's a lot of destruction.

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #1628

                                @Mik

                                They’re the modern version of the WWII Katyusha rockets or as the Germans called the them,Stalin’s organowing to their peculiar sound when airborne. Essentially high explosive mortars with limited accuracy. German’s had a similar weapon, neibelwerfer.

                                More:

                                https://militaryhistorynow.com/2021/01/19/stalins-organ-10-things-you-didnt-know-about-russias-katyusha-rocket-2/

                                Elbows up!

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                                • JollyJ Offline
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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1629

                                  If those are MLRS, I think the accuracy and range may surprise you.

                                  https://www.army-technology.com/projects/mlrs/

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1630

                                    Ukraine counteroffensive thread

                                    https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1656727045076819969.html

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1631

                                      "Norilsk is home to one of the largest nickel and palladium deposits in the world. These minerals are considered to be strategic resources and are therefore closely monitored and controlled by the Russian government. The mining and processing of these metals are conducted by Norilsk Nickel, a major Russian mining company that is responsible for a significant portion of the world's production of nickel and palladium. Additionally, the region is home to other valuable resources, such as copper and cobalt, which are also mined and processed in Norilsk. Due to the strategic importance of these materials, they are closely monitored and protected by both the company and the Russian government."

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1632

                                        It would appear the Ukranian planning and strategy is light years ahead of Russia's.

                                        Gosh, it's almost like someone's helping them. 😑

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • RenaudaR Offline
                                          RenaudaR Offline
                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #1633

                                          Putin, a most dangerous fool:

                                          https://czechia.postsen.com/trends/amp/131492

                                          Elbows up!

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