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  • George KG George K

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

    The Kremlin...will run to the West for assistance.
    We should think twice about assisting.

    Why? I understand that a weak Russia is probably in our nations' best interests.

    However, if that weakness comes at the cost of a strong China, is that a good thing?

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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #1609

    @George-K

    China will, for the foreseeable future, strengthen regardless of what happens inside Russia.

    Although I am loathe to sound like a bean counting technocrat, after the trillion plus dollars, GBP and Euros in investment, technical assistance and humanitarian aid that the West has pumped into the USSR and The Russian Federation, why would the West want not wash its hands of the place?

    Elbows up!

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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #1610

      Propoganda?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Jolly
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        #1611

        A. Could be propaganda.
        B. Could be Russian drones.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • MikM Mik

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/huge-fire-at-crimea-fuel-depot-after-drone-strike-authorities/ar-AA1aw35u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0c20db323ce94ed796d674483d8ab021&ei=42

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          George K
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          #1612

          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/huge-fire-at-crimea-fuel-depot-after-drone-strike-authorities/ar-AA1aw35u?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0c20db323ce94ed796d674483d8ab021&ei=42

          Moar fires...

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            A. Could be propaganda.
            B. Could be Russian drones.

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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #1613

            @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

            A. Could be propaganda.
            B. Could be Russian drones.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              @George-K

              China will, for the foreseeable future, strengthen regardless of what happens inside Russia.

              Although I am loathe to sound like a bean counting technocrat, after the trillion plus dollars, GBP and Euros in investment, technical assistance and humanitarian aid that the West has pumped into the USSR and The Russian Federation, why would the West want not wash its hands of the place?

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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1614

              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @George-K

              China will, for the foreseeable future, strengthen regardless of what happens inside Russia.

              Although I am loathe to sound like a bean counting technocrat, after the trillion plus dollars, GBP and Euros in investment, technical assistance and humanitarian aid that the West has pumped into the USSR and The Russian Federation, why would the West want not wash its hands of the place?

              “If you pick up a starving dog and make him prosperous he will not bite you. This is the principal difference between a dog and man.”

              ― Mark Twain

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                taiwan_girl
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                #1615

                https://www.yahoo.com/news/more-100-dolphins-feared-dead-152539781.html

                "Russian naval activity due to the war in Ukraine may have killed more than 100 dolphins in the Black Sea last month, scientists are reporting."

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  A. Could be propaganda.
                  B. Could be Russian drones.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1616

                  @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  A. Could be propaganda.
                  B. Could be Russian drones.

                  C. Could be Putin playing the victim and craving attention.
                  D. Probably all of the above.

                  Elbows up!

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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by Mik
                    #1617

                    That's a lot of the problem. I see things all day long from Ukrainya Pravda. I don't believe they are any more reliable than RT. I'm not sure I believe most of what I read from US sources.

                    You'd think they could have used some name other than Pravda. It comes with a lot of baggage.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      That's a lot of the problem. I see things all day long from Ukrainya Pravda. I don't believe they are any more reliable than RT. I'm not sure I believe most of what I read from US sources.

                      You'd think they could have used some name other than Pravda. It comes with a lot of baggage.

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1618

                      @Mik

                      My understanding is the UP despite its name is fairly reliable with a moderate centre left bias in its editorials. Unlike RT which is wholly Kremlin owned and controlled, UP’s ownership appears to be held by private interests.

                      I certainly do not rely on North American MSM for news on that part of the world. American think tanks and universities on the other hand, produce a lot of first rate information on the war much of which is posted to YouTube or their individual websites. Likewise Radio Liberty/Radio Free Europe offers good reporting and if nothing else provides good starting points for more in depth searching of specific items.

                      Elbows up!

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1619

                        Explosions over the Kremlin?
                        https://open.substack.com/pub/snyder/p/explosion-over-the-kremlin?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

                        Elbows up!

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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1620

                          The problem is you cannot believe a word they say. Even if they have video.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by George K
                            #1621

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1622

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1623

                                Sounds propaganda-ish to me.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1624

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1625

                                    That boy just has no idea how to win friends and influence people. I still hope one day to see him hang.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      kluurs
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1626

                                      launch. Wow!

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1627

                                        Wow. If those are all shells, that's a lot of destruction.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          Wow. If those are all shells, that's a lot of destruction.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #1628

                                          @Mik

                                          They’re the modern version of the WWII Katyusha rockets or as the Germans called the them,Stalin’s organowing to their peculiar sound when airborne. Essentially high explosive mortars with limited accuracy. German’s had a similar weapon, neibelwerfer.

                                          More:

                                          https://militaryhistorynow.com/2021/01/19/stalins-organ-10-things-you-didnt-know-about-russias-katyusha-rocket-2/

                                          Elbows up!

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