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The Ukraine war thread

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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #1173

    Shell sales...

    https://www.reuters.com/world/white-house-says-north-korea-supplying-russia-with-artillery-shells-2022-11-02/

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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      taiwan_girl
      wrote on last edited by
      #1174

      Somewhat related. Size of Ukraine vs US

      ![alt text](b74ad96a-dade-4d7a-b799-3e5145083c09-image.png image url)https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Ftheodora.com%2Fwfbcurrent%2Fgraphics%2Fareacomparison%2FUP_area.jpg&f=1&nofb=1&ipt=0b5ed132e7e6256d4ecbba66791bd099da3a8e3e66148283deedcbd4ec642d1f&ipo=images

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #1175

        Russia backs down, stays with grain deal.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/turkey-calls-russia-s-bluff-and-forces-putin-into-huge-u-turn-after-black-sea-drone-attack/ar-AA13EohN?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1dce31662e5f482aa40eb760dd9f71ad

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by
          #1176

          Meduza io is a Russian news source published in Latvia. The link describes the mobilization clusterfuck in just one district:

          https://meduza.io/en/feature/2022/11/02/like-having-a-tank-operator-fly-a-plane

          Elbows up!

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          • MikM Offline
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            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #1177

            How do you win a war with an army that doesn't want to fight?

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by
              #1178

              His concern is not only that any conceivable deal will appear as a loss, but a deal that truly ends the fighting will be followed by a reckoning. So long as the war continues Putin is protected to a degree by patriotic urges to support the motherland when it is in peril, and also the opportunities war provides for censorship and tight control of all dissent. Without the war the consequences of his folly will be exposed. The legacy will not be expanded territory but instead a contracted economy, continued international isolation, a diminished reputation, and a multitude of disillusioned followers, bereaved families, and traumatised veterans with nothing to remember with pride.

              Why Putin prefers war to diplomacy:

              https://open.substack.com/pub/samf/p/why-putin-prefers-war-war-to-jaw?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by Mik
                #1179

                Maybe he is ill and his endgame is to die in office rather than be removed. It's difficult to see any other possible benefit.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1180

                  "Crimea, mobilized"

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1181

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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1182

                      How Russian Soldiers Ran a "Cleansing" Operation in Bucha

                      The first man arrived at 7:27 a.m. Russian soldiers covered his head and marched him up the driveway toward a nondescript office building.

                      Two minutes later, a pleading, gagged voice pierced the morning stillness. Then the merciless reply: “Talk! Talk, f--ing mother-f--er!”

                      The women and children came later, gripping hastily packed bags, their pet dogs in tow.

                      It was a cold, gray morning, March 4 in Bucha, Ukraine. Crows cawed. By nightfall, at least nine men would walk to their deaths at 144 Yablunska street, a building complex that Russians turned into a headquarters and the nerve center of violence that would shock the world.

                      In this image from March 4, 2022, surveillance video provided by the Ukrainian government, Russian troops lead nine men at gunpoint to their headquarters on Yablunska Street in Bucha, where they would be tortured and executed.

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                      The men were picked up as part of what Russian soldiers called “zachistka” – cleansing. They hunted people on lists prepared by their intelligence services and went door to door to identify and neutralize potential threats.

                      Later, when all the bodies were found strewn along the streets and packed in hasty graves, it would be easy to think the carnage was random. Residents asking how this happened would be told to make their peace, because some questions just don’t have answers.

                      Yet there was a method to the violence.

                      What happened that day in Bucha was what Russian soldiers on intercepted phone conversations called “zachistka” — cleansing. The Russians hunted people on lists prepared by their intelligence services and went door to door to identify potential threats. Those who didn’t pass this filtration, including volunteer fighters and civilians suspected of assisting Ukrainian troops, were tortured and executed, surveillance video, audio intercepts and interviews show.

                      More here:

                      https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/interactive/ap-russia-war-crimes-ukraine/

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

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                        RenaudaR Offline
                        RenaudaR Offline
                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #1183

                        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

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                        Blocking units and shtrafbats are right out of the Joe Stalin playbook on warfare.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1184

                          Looks more like WWII every day.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1185

                            Why surrender?

                            If you're going to die, take some of the bastards with you.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1186

                              Ex KGB guy says Putin won't nuke. FWIW.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ex-kgb-sleeper-agent-on-russia-s-nuclear-threats-putin-is-not-a-suicide-bomber/ar-AA13KIuc?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0577bc36b81b4e60bba38f94ba1b5b2e

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                Ex KGB guy says Putin won't nuke. FWIW.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/ex-kgb-sleeper-agent-on-russia-s-nuclear-threats-putin-is-not-a-suicide-bomber/ar-AA13KIuc?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=0577bc36b81b4e60bba38f94ba1b5b2e

                                taiwan_girlT Offline
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                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1187

                                @Mik Somewhat related, President Xi of China has said that nuclear weapons should not be used in Ukraine.

                                With China one of the last "friends" of Russia, this is a pretty strong message for Russia.

                                Nuclear Weapons Must Not Be Used in Ukraine

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1188

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • MikM Offline
                                    MikM Offline
                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1189

                                    Resistance springs eternal.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/assassination-attempt-on-pro-russia-judge-who-sentenced-british-prisoners-to-death/ar-AA13MpW4?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2208d9de941c4c219f99596bf70c16f8

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1190

                                      U.S. trained...

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-recruits-us-trained-soldiers-pentagon-focused-on-halting-attacks-on-ukraine-infrastructure-live-updates/ar-AA13zOI8?li=BBorjTa

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1191

                                        Fog of war…

                                        Link to video

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1192

                                          There's no question that the media has played a huge role in this war. Whenever I heard about Russian atrocities, I could not help but wonder what the Russian press was printing during our invasion of Iraq

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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