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  • G George K
    24 Feb 2022, 14:31

    We are Germany.

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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on 24 Feb 2022, 14:38 last edited by
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    @George-K said in Sanctions?:

    We are Germany.

    LOL, smh.

    The Brad

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      bachophile
      wrote on 24 Feb 2022, 14:45 last edited by
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      Strong sanctions didn’t stop Iran. Including separating Iran from international banking.

      And Putin has much greater cash reserves than Tehran.

      Sanctions work by causing the population enough distress to cause internal unrest.

      Won’t happen.

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      • B bachophile
        24 Feb 2022, 14:45

        Strong sanctions didn’t stop Iran. Including separating Iran from international banking.

        And Putin has much greater cash reserves than Tehran.

        Sanctions work by causing the population enough distress to cause internal unrest.

        Won’t happen.

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        LuFins Dad
        wrote on 24 Feb 2022, 14:50 last edited by
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        @bachophile said in Sanctions?:

        Strong sanctions didn’t stop Iran. Including separating Iran from international banking.

        And Putin has much greater cash reserves than Tehran.

        Sanctions work by causing the population enough distress to cause internal unrest.

        Won’t happen.

        Strong sanctions didn’t work in 2014… Why would they work now?

        The Brad

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        • L LuFins Dad
          24 Feb 2022, 14:50

          @bachophile said in Sanctions?:

          Strong sanctions didn’t stop Iran. Including separating Iran from international banking.

          And Putin has much greater cash reserves than Tehran.

          Sanctions work by causing the population enough distress to cause internal unrest.

          Won’t happen.

          Strong sanctions didn’t work in 2014… Why would they work now?

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          bachophile
          wrote on 24 Feb 2022, 15:41 last edited by
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          @LuFins-Dad the big doomsday weapon is taking Russia out of SWIFT

          The issue is wether Russia can sustain itself indefinitely without international banking.

          I figure they have planned for this somehow.

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            kluurs
            wrote on 24 Feb 2022, 16:00 last edited by
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            Think of how sanctions worked with Japan pre 12.7.1941.

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              George K
              wrote on 24 Feb 2022, 18:43 last edited by
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              https://abcnews.go.com/Business/wireStory/eu-plans-harshest-sanctions-package-russia-83079403

              As the first major world leader to make a big move, Johnson announced a freeze on the assets of all large Russian banks and plans to bar Russian companies and the Kremlin from raising money on British markets.

              Britain will also ban the export to Russia of a wide range of high-tech products, including semiconductors, and prohibit the nation’s flagship airline, Aeroflot, from landing at British airports.

              European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen and Stoltenberg both called the invasion a “barbaric" attack on an independent nation that threatened “the stability in Europe and the whole of the international peace order.” The European Union scheduled an emergency summit in Brussels.

              Von der Leyen threatened to hit Russia with "massive and targeted sanctions.” She said she would put to EU leaders late Thursday a proposal that would target strategic sectors of the Russian economy by blocking access to key technologies and markets.

              She said the sanctions, if approved, “will weaken Russia’s economic base and its capacity to modernize. And in addition, we will freeze Russian assets in the European Union and stop the access of Russian banks to European financial markets.”

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                Copper
                wrote on 24 Feb 2022, 19:59 last edited by
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                I assume the Russians are shocked by these sanctions

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                • B bachophile
                  24 Feb 2022, 15:41

                  @LuFins-Dad the big doomsday weapon is taking Russia out of SWIFT

                  The issue is wether Russia can sustain itself indefinitely without international banking.

                  I figure they have planned for this somehow.

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                  George K
                  wrote on 25 Feb 2022, 14:21 last edited by George K
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                  @bachophile

                  the big doomsday weapon is taking Russia out of SWIFT

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 25 Feb 2022, 14:23 last edited by
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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • B bachophile
                      24 Feb 2022, 15:41

                      @LuFins-Dad the big doomsday weapon is taking Russia out of SWIFT

                      The issue is wether Russia can sustain itself indefinitely without international banking.

                      I figure they have planned for this somehow.

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on 25 Feb 2022, 16:20 last edited by
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                      @bachophile said in Sanctions?:

                      @LuFins-Dad the big doomsday weapon is taking Russia out of SWIFT

                      The issue is wether Russia can sustain itself indefinitely without international banking.

                      I figure they have planned for this somehow.

                      The Kremlin appears to have done just that:

                      https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60521822

                      Elbows up!

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                        George K
                        wrote on 26 Feb 2022, 12:18 last edited by
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                        Tech exports to Russia blocked:

                        https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2022/02/us-and-allies-block-tech-exports-to-russia-in-response-to-invasion-of-ukraine/

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • R Renauda
                          25 Feb 2022, 16:20

                          @bachophile said in Sanctions?:

                          @LuFins-Dad the big doomsday weapon is taking Russia out of SWIFT

                          The issue is wether Russia can sustain itself indefinitely without international banking.

                          I figure they have planned for this somehow.

                          The Kremlin appears to have done just that:

                          https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60521822

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 26 Feb 2022, 12:41 last edited by
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                          @Renauda said in Sanctions?:

                          @bachophile said in Sanctions?:

                          @LuFins-Dad the big doomsday weapon is taking Russia out of SWIFT

                          The issue is wether Russia can sustain itself indefinitely without international banking.

                          I figure they have planned for this somehow.

                          The Kremlin appears to have done just that:

                          https://www.bbc.com/news/business-60521822

                          And we didn't.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            George K
                            wrote on 26 Feb 2022, 12:46 last edited by
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                            Mark Thiessen: https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2022/02/24/biden-climate-gas-prices-russia-sanctions/?mkt_tok=NDc1LVBCUS05NzEAAAGC0PWJk4qI53PyYpb79cCf4QYYKgTVR4Retwa7NEXtAlaqFv5q8SghyZjiF6NUbx-uXVVUb3XXT0hJcyImsjmBBmbqGVR9V-4nTdV_ocR-SRE

                            Russian President Vladimir Putin was emboldened to launch his full-scale invasion of Ukraine because he believed that President Biden was bluffing when he threatened serious consequences.

                            On Thursday, Biden proved him right.

                            Not only did the United States and its NATO allies fail to kick Moscow out of the SWIFT banking network used by almost all major financial institutions to wire money — which would effectively exclude Russia from the global economy — Biden failed to sanction Putin’s two most significant exports: oil and natural gas. To the contrary, Biden announced that he had specifically designed the sanctions “to allow energy payments to continue.”

                            Putin gambled that Biden was not willing to risk sanctioning his lucrative energy exports, and thus driving up energy prices for U.S. consumers just months before the midterm elections. The bet paid off.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 26 Feb 2022, 17:00 last edited by
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                              SWIFT:

                              https://www.foxnews.com/world/europe-close-to-approving-swift-germany-wary

                              European leaders have moved closer to cutting Russia off from the SWIFT banking system as Germany remains the sole holdout over implementing the extreme measure following the invasion of Ukraine.

                              Russia launched a full-scale invasion of Ukraine Thursday local time. World leaders and diplomats widely condemned the attack and promised strong sanctions in response.

                              Foreign ministers of the Baltic States and Poland wanted to cut Russia from SWIFT as part of the initial wave of sanctions, but Germany, Italy, Hungary and Cyprus resisted the move.

                              But after non-stop negotiations, Ukraine has managed to convince the leaders of Italy, Hungary and Cyprus to stand down and agree. Only Germany remains wary, as its leaders say they remain open to the possibility but must "calculate the cost" to its own citizens, Reuters reported.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George K
                                wrote on 26 Feb 2022, 17:01 last edited by
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                                Turkey:

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • G George K
                                  26 Feb 2022, 17:01

                                  Turkey:

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                                  LuFins Dad
                                  wrote on 26 Feb 2022, 17:19 last edited by
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                                  @George-K said in Sanctions?:

                                  Turkey:

                                  If we (along with Europe) were to push a No-Fly Zone and enforce it, this thing would be over.

                                  The Brad

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                                  • G George K
                                    26 Feb 2022, 17:01

                                    Turkey:

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 26 Feb 2022, 17:23 last edited by
                                    #20

                                    @George-K

                                    There is no confirmation from Turkey that it will close the straits to Russian warships. If it were to do so it might be in contravention of the Montreux Convention which gives Russia the right for its navy it to return to or access its bases in the Black Sea. Not sure though.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 26 Feb 2022, 17:24 last edited by
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                                      Kazakhstan No help from us, Vlad:

                                      Kazakhstan, one of Russia's closest allies and a southern neighbor, is denying a request for its troops to join the offensive in Ukraine, officials said Friday.

                                      Additionally, the former Soviet republic said it is not recognizing the Russia-created breakaway republics upheld by Russia's president, Vladimir Putin, as a pretext for its aggression in Ukraine.

                                      Despite ceasefire accords covering the disputed land, Putin on Monday declared Russia's recognition of Luhansk People’s Republic (LNR) and the Donetsk People’s Republic (DNR) as independent states.

                                      The surprising development from a traditional ally of Russia has the support of the United States.

                                      “We welcome Kazakhstan’s announcement that they will not recognize the LPR and DPR," the National Security Council said in a statement. "We also welcome Kazakhstan’s refusal to send its forces to join Putin’s war in Ukraine."

                                      Borat hardest hit.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 26 Feb 2022, 17:30 last edited by
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                                        I seriously doubt Turkey would take this step unilaterally. It wouldn't be strategically important anyway. This is a ground assault and naval vessels would be of little importance, even for supplies.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • M Mik
                                          26 Feb 2022, 17:30

                                          I seriously doubt Turkey would take this step unilaterally. It wouldn't be strategically important anyway. This is a ground assault and naval vessels would be of little importance, even for supplies.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 26 Feb 2022, 17:34 last edited by
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                                          @Mik

                                          I agree Mik. It would considerably up the ante and pit a founding member of NATO against Russia.

                                          Elbows up!

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