I don't trust the police.
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@Horace said in I don't trust the police.:
I think George was unaware it was a 'red zone' which makes this a simple mistake rather than an ideological inconsistency.
I actually wasn't digging at George. For one thing, he isn't typically one of the people that says 'if only these people did what they were told...'. I was pointing out that a large number of people do say that, and they share a large cross-section with the ones who are now shouting 'Fascist!' at the Canadian police.
All I did was point out the double standard.
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My thoughts, distilled:
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Do the truckers (or any group) have an absolute right to protest?
Yes. -
Do the truckers (or any group) have a right to interfere with the movement (blocking of streets) and peaceful lives of citizens (honk)?
No. -
Do the police have the authority to remove those who interfere with #2?
Yes. -
Do the police have there authority to use physical violence in trying to enact #3?
Only when violence is exacted upon them. -
What is "violence" in #4?
Touching, pushing, hitting. Not words. Actual physical contact. The response of the police should be proportionate to the actions of the person upon which said response is enacted. Kicking a downed protestor, hitting one with the butt of their rifle, and striking an offender who did nothing more than enter a so-called "prohibited area" and question the police is not proportionate.
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In all fairness @George-K , in about 2-3 days a group inspired by this group will be shutting down my work. They will impact my ability to provide for my family. While I generally support their cause, if it goes on for as long as the Ottawa protest goes on, I will be fully supportive of the police stomping their asses to get the roads moving again…
I support their rights to protest up and until it affects my right to take care of my family.
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@LuFins-Dad said in I don't trust the police.:
in about 2-3 days a group inspired by this group will be shutting down my work. They will impact my ability to provide for my family.
See #2 & #3 above.
I said it about ANTIFA in Portland, and I stand by my stance.
(can I say that?)