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To Mask or Not To Mask?

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    George K
    wrote on 29 May 2020, 11:52 last edited by
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    March: "No need for masks."
    April: "It may be a good idea."
    May: "No mask, no service."

    And now this.

    https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/advice-for-public/when-and-how-to-use-masks

    • If you are healthy, you only need to wear a mask if you are taking care of a person with COVID-19.
    • Wear a mask if you are coughing or sneezing.
    • Masks are effective only when used in combination with frequent hand-cleaning with alcohol-based hand rub or soap and water.
    • If you wear a mask, then you must know how to use it and dispose of it properly.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      Improviso
      wrote on 29 May 2020, 15:01 last edited by
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      In Virginia, today is the first day that everyone in the state must wear a mask while in public spaces, by executive order of our governor.

      I am NOT a happy camper about that.

      My county has 5 cases (only one in the last 30 days) and no deaths. But I am being treated the same as if I lived in Northern Virginia.

      Whatever happened to evaluating on a county by county basis as we were told months ago?

      We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
      Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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      • I Improviso
        29 May 2020, 15:01

        In Virginia, today is the first day that everyone in the state must wear a mask while in public spaces, by executive order of our governor.

        I am NOT a happy camper about that.

        My county has 5 cases (only one in the last 30 days) and no deaths. But I am being treated the same as if I lived in Northern Virginia.

        Whatever happened to evaluating on a county by county basis as we were told months ago?

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        Aqua Letifer
        wrote on 29 May 2020, 15:04 last edited by
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        @Improviso said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

        Whatever happened to evaluating on a county by county basis as we were told months ago?

        People don't stay within counties.

        Please love yourself.

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          Improviso
          wrote on 29 May 2020, 15:06 last edited by
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          Ah... so it really was just bullshit when they said it. Got it.

          Kinda like the bullshit guidance George is pointing out at the start of this thread.

          We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
          Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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            Improviso
            wrote on 29 May 2020, 15:10 last edited by
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            I also seem to remember several months ago being told that the virus enters the body thru the mouth, nose and eyes, hence the reason for "don't touch your face".

            So... a mask covers 2 out of the 3 entry points. When will it be a requirement to wear a face shield or goggles?

            We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
            Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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            • I Improviso
              29 May 2020, 15:06

              Ah... so it really was just bullshit when they said it. Got it.

              Kinda like the bullshit guidance George is pointing out at the start of this thread.

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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on 29 May 2020, 15:11 last edited by
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              @Improviso said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

              Ah... so it really was just bullshit when they said it. Got it.

              Kinda like the bullshit guidance George is pointing out at the start of this thread.

              I don't think you can make a case that masks don't drastically mitigate the spread of infection from someone who has the virus. To me it sounds like people who don't want to be inconvenienced are reverse-engineering reasons why they think they're ineffective to justify their position. If absolutely everyone in America followed the same guidance, we could open everything up today without any problems.

              Please love yourself.

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                Improviso
                wrote on 29 May 2020, 15:13 last edited by
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                We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                  Aqua Letifer
                  wrote on 29 May 2020, 15:14 last edited by
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                  They do work, and businesses do not have to be closed. I don't understand the point that meme is trying to make.

                  Please love yourself.

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                    29 May 2020, 15:14

                    They do work, and businesses do not have to be closed. I don't understand the point that meme is trying to make.

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                    Improviso
                    wrote on 29 May 2020, 15:19 last edited by
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                    @Aqua-Letifer said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                    and businesses do not have to be closed. I don't understand the point that meme is trying to make.

                    Where you been the last 3 months?

                    We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                    Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                      Improviso
                      wrote on 29 May 2020, 15:20 last edited by
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                      Never mind... working from home. Got it.

                      We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                      Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                        Aqua Letifer
                        wrote on 29 May 2020, 15:26 last edited by
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                        Well if you want to get into this, businesses "have to be closed" because there are enough people out there who think like you do. If everybody wore 'em, there'd be very little risk.

                        As to work/not work, reality is a little more nuanced than an internet meme you found on Facebook. They're very effective in preventing an infected person from infecting another. And many, many people are completely asymptomatic, so that's very important. Only certain masks effectively prevent you from getting infected from someone else.

                        Please love yourself.

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 29 May 2020, 15:59 last edited by
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                          Is wearing a mask to go to the store really that much of a hardship?

                          I was only joking

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                            29 May 2020, 15:59

                            Is wearing a mask to go to the store really that much of a hardship?

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                            mark
                            wrote on 29 May 2020, 16:04 last edited by mark
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                            @Doctor-Phibes said in To Mask or Not To Mask?:

                            Is wearing a mask to go to the store really that much of a hardship?

                            +1

                            It's not. But, it has become a rally cry for politics.

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 29 May 2020, 16:05 last edited by
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                              There are plenty of people enduring real issues, and this is what we're whining about?

                              Please excuse me while I don't give a fuck.

                              I was only joking

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                                Copper
                                wrote on 29 May 2020, 16:07 last edited by
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                                What is the goal? How are we going to measure it?

                                Exactly how many lives have been saved by masks?

                                Why would we ever go out without a mask? I mean forever and ever.

                                Why not wear masks and end all communicable diseases and save everyone's life?

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                                  mark
                                  wrote on 29 May 2020, 16:08 last edited by
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                                  @Doctor-Phibes I agree with you. Sorry if I made it sound otherwise.

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                                    xenon
                                    wrote on 29 May 2020, 16:14 last edited by xenon
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                                    Opposing masks is such an asinine thing to oppose if you're in favor of opening up the country fast.

                                    "Hey guys - let's keep our distance and wear masks and get back out there"

                                    But, no - there's no good grievance in that message. I am genuinely a little surprise how stark the political lines have been drawn on this.

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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on 29 May 2020, 16:17 last edited by
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                                      I know how to get people on board with masks.

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                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • C Copper
                                        29 May 2020, 16:07

                                        What is the goal? How are we going to measure it?

                                        Exactly how many lives have been saved by masks?

                                        Why would we ever go out without a mask? I mean forever and ever.

                                        Why not wear masks and end all communicable diseases and save everyone's life?

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                                        mark
                                        wrote on 29 May 2020, 16:20 last edited by
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                                        @Copper My goal, is to get past this particular outbreak until such time as proven, effective treatment, that prevents long-term health consequences from this virus, and/or vaccine is available.

                                        I choose to wear a mask. A nice replaceable filter pocket homemade mask that my daughter so lovingly crafted for me. She made one for everyone in our family as well as her friends.

                                        I live in a area not far from Chicago and my particular county has one the fastest growing number of cases in our state.

                                        I will wear one for as long as I want to wear one.

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                                        • M Mik
                                          29 May 2020, 16:17

                                          I know how to get people on board with masks.

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                                          xenon
                                          wrote on 29 May 2020, 16:21 last edited by
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                                          @Mik Mana from the gods. I can't help but smile when i see bacon.

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