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Aqua Letifer

No, it's not.

It's digital monitoring and then it is an at home intervention by a uniformed officer. That, folks, is sending a not very subtle message.

How many resources are devoted to this effort?

Does it prevent crime in any way?

Are police a neutral entity or should they be used to enforce the political will of the state?

I agree. The officers spent effort to find the posts, find the addresses of those who posted, and then went in person to "discuss it with them." That's a hell of a lot of work and nothing at all like walking up to a protester.

The expectation from a social media post is NOT a confrontation on your front door about it, let alone from the police. This is playing around with intimidation.

Jolly

@renauda said in Monitoring:

@jolly

Nor should it send a subtle message to these yobs and their sympathizers.

Besides, it is not your concern how police business is conducted in this country. If you think it is a question of Ontario Government ordering its provincial police force to enforce its political will you are mistaken.

I may be the lone resident Canadian voice left in this den of iniquity forum, but I am not backing down one bit from where I stand on this issue. Nor am I going to be intimidated by you or any one else here who supports these morons.

The door is closing fast on them.

Sparky, I don't care if you are intimidated or not. Personally, I think you may be a little defensive, because under the Canadian politeness, it appears that there's a bit of tyrrany, at least at a certain level. I think your own government may have you just a tiny bit worried.

And if not, you should be.

Renauda

@jolly

I can assure you I am not concerned about tyranny in this country. My issue is with mob rule led by a tiny group of incoherent, inarticulate and politically illiterate alt- right nutters who are financed from outside the country to stir up trouble and undermine legitimate government authority. They make me want to puke with their prayer sessions and chants of “Freedom”. Their sense of entitlement prevents them from even knowing what freedom is. Given the chance they and their followers will be painting themselves blue and wearing animal skins in an attempt to make themselves appear as heroes for the ordinary person. They are not and nor will they be heroes to anyone here. It’s time for the lot of them to pack up and go home before anyone gets hurt. They have been warned.

So I will comment how I wish and when I wish when you post your unmitigated bullshit about what is happening up here. If it sounds defensive to you, we’ll that’s just too bad for you. Get used to it, Beauregard.

Jolly

Here, enjoy Tucker's monologue...

Link to video

Renauda

@jolly

That is most Tucker Carlson I have ever watched and actually ever want to watch.

I like how he blithely takes away the ownership of the protest from Canada and moves it into the US. He’s probably right in doing so as the whole movement appears to be financed and supported from outside the country. Namely the USA.

One thing Carlson got completely wrong about the protest/occupation is that he still calls it a Truckers’ Protest. Might have started out that way but the alt-right quickly usurped it from the few independent trucker organizers who initiated the drive to Ottawa into something of their own conspiracy theory laden and politically illiterate fashion.

Jolly

GiveSendGo under attack...

https://www.hackread.com/christian-crowdfunding-givesendgo-ddos-attack/

Renauda

BTW, the Windsor police started enforcing yesterday’s court order by advancing in force on the Ambassador Bridge protests as of 8:30 am E.T.. They have been slowly and methodically convincing the protesters to disperse voluntarily. I expect the pace of the police line to pick up as time goes on.

Improviso

Until they start burning down strip malls and fire bombing police precincts, I'll consider it just a "Winter of Love" fest.

Jolly

@improviso said in Monitoring:

Until they start burning down strip malls and fire bombing police precincts, I'll consider it just a "Winter of Love" fest.

Don't forget burning down courthouses.

Renauda

Downtown Ottawa offers the mob a target rich environment for just that sort of hooliganism.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ottawa-truck-convoy-protests-state-of-emergency/

I know it’s difficult but be patient. You still might get your wish when the police move in to clear out those yobs. If and when it happens, I hope you are entertained. After all, you’re funding it from your side of the border.

Improviso

Interesting...

I don't think I've ever seen you so irritated by something.

Renauda

@improviso

I simply loathe radicalized mob rule regardless whether its inspiration comes from the left or the right.

Jolly

@renauda said in Monitoring:

Downtown Ottawa offers the mob a target rich environment for just that sort of hooliganism.

https://www.theglobeandmail.com/canada/article-ottawa-truck-convoy-protests-state-of-emergency/

I know it’s difficult but be patient. You still might get your wish when the police move in to clear out those yobs. If and when it happens, I hope you are entertained. After all, you’re funding it from your side of the border.

Oh, I think it would make for great theater, much as threatening to take their children away from them with the power of Canadian social services. As long as the government will behave badly and the protesters won't, even the heavy bias of MSM in Canada will not dent the eventual outcome, which is making Justin Castro and crew look like a petty tyrant and his syncophants, along with certain sectors of the government...Which hopefully has a nice cascade to dump a world of shit on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

Canada, and the USA, are behind on following the science. Hell, even Pfizer withdrew their application to give vaccinations to under 5 year-old children. This has become an endemic, not pandemic, of the vaccinated. There is no scientific basis for draconian "vaccine" mandates, if you can call something which does not prevent a disease a vaccine.

No, let people choose if they will, or will not wear a mask. If they will, or will not be vaccinated. I suspect those who are most vulnerable will continue to get the jab and may even continue to wear a N95 mask in situation where they are not comfortable. And that's good.

Life is out there. Time to live it. Without the fucking government breathing down everybody's necks and parading around like they actually have power...They should have no more power than what the people give them.

Renauda

@jolly said in Monitoring:

Oh, I think it would make for great theater, much as threatening to take their children away from them with the power of Canadian social services.

I wasn't aware of such a thing Canadian social services. Again it is a provincial responsibility. Thus far the Province of Ontario has advised the protesters to remove all children from the protest area. A reasonable and prudent request under the circumstances. I also fail to see why children are even there in the first place, perhaps their parents and guardians feel that they are security against police action. Nevertheless no one has suggested that social services be brought in to round up the kids from the parents. If, however, parents with children are arrested and taken into custody, then I guess Ontario social services will be involved. It's the parents' choice if they want that to happen.

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As long as the government will behave badly and the protesters won't, even the heavy bias of MSM in Canada will not dent the eventual outcome, which is making Justin Castro and crew look like a petty tyrant and his syncophants, along with certain sectors of the government...Which hopefully has a nice cascade to dump a world of shit on 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.

The implication regarding 1600 Pennsylvannia Ave. being of course that you support mob rule. Don't complain then, if and when it, for whatever reason, arrives in your neighborhood.

Since Tucker Carlson and you seem to have a hard on for Justin ~~Trudeau~~ Castro, I’ll grant this much is that he is tone deaf to any issue other than the file in which is engaged in at the time. The result in this is that the Federal Government allowed itself to be blindsided by the initial Truckers protest was within days taken over by alt-right elements, domestic and foreign, whose agenda was to use the protest to undermine legitimately elected government authority, law enforcement and the economy. The Trudeau government’s failure to act on advance intelligence and prepare provincial and municipal authorities is unforgivable and plays into the desires of the radicalized protesters to force a military like response from law enforcement. And kindly don’t deny it, a violent confrontation is exactly what the protest organizers now desire most. The truckers and ordinary folks they have recruited are pawns in their insidious game of high stakes with the various levels of legitimate government and law enforcement.

Canada, and the USA, are behind on following the science....This has become an endemic, not pandemic, of the vaccinated. There is no scientific basis for draconian "vaccine" mandates, if you can call something which does not prevent a disease a vaccine.*

Thankfully they are following the science. I for he most part, concur that it has now become an epidemic and should treated as such. But I believe that a staged easing of restrictions and is the best path. After all, we do not know what this virus has in store for us in couple of weeks or months. Regardless, the measures and mandates are for the most part under provincial jurisdiction which were in the process of being scaled back well before the protests began. In light of that, I now consider that the federal mandate was for truckers was on Canada's part, overkill since the US had already announced it would put the the measure in place for cross border traffic.

Let people choose if they will, or will not wear a mask.

In some circumstances, yes. Schools for one. From the onset I always felt that social distancing and masking children and teens at school is asking them to comply to behaviors that no child in history could ever manage consistently. It's even difficult for most adults.

If they will, or will not be vaccinated.

Yes and only because our whole heath care system is based on consent.

I suspect those who are most vulnerable will continue to get the jab and may even continue to wear a N95 mask in situation where they are not comfortable. And that's good.

Probably prudent for every one when going out into crowded indoor spaces.

Life is out there. Time to live it. Without the fucking government breathing down everybody's necks and parading around like they actually have power...They should have no more power than what the people give them.

I do not feel restrained or inconvenienced by government mandates and requirements. What does bother me is the inconsistency of our provincial government in establishing clear and consistent requirements for people and business. That is contrasted with Alberta Government’s unfailing consistency of failure to take ownership of its duties in the delivery of its constitutional responsibilities towards its residents throughout this pandemic. Laying the blame exclusively on Ottawa and the Trudeau government just doesn't meet muster in face of the facts. Hell, I am not even a Liberal or Justin Trudeau supporter. I'd say a pretty piss poor performance overall from not only this one, but all the Conservative Party led provincial governments throughout the country.

Mik

Renauda

@mik

Cute, but towing falls under the respective mayors’ and affected provincial premier’s responsibility. In Ontario that would be Doug Ford. Trudeau can’t get involved unless the latter requests his towing services.

Mik

Just so we're clear, I'm not in favor of public protest that shuts down commerce or impedes citizens.

Renauda

@mik

I knew that. I actually thought the meme funny, appropriate and posted in jest. Hence the emoji in sunglasses.

Jolly

@renauda said in Monitoring:

@mik

Cute, but towing falls under the respective mayors’ and affected provincial premier’s responsibility. In Ontario that would be Doug Ford. Trudeau can’t get involved unless the latter requests his towing services.

Who nomally would use these services?

Truckers.

The same guys you haul off, are the same guys who ain't gonna call you after things get back to normal. I think the government would have to bring a considerable amount of pressure to bear.

Renauda

@jolly

Think what you want. I disagree. I think it’s more question of capacity to tow the trucks. The Ontario service sector doesn’t have the immediate availability of heavy towing vehicles undertake the job in the first place.

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