Greed

[Klaus]

I don't think this is going to work.

The only domain where I see a chance is in autonomous driving and the like, where the majority of the cost is in the software and not in the hardware.

[Mik]

No, a thousand times no. You're already charging me for the hardware that is in the car. I won't pay so I can use it.

[Axtremus]

Paying extra subscription fees for services that require ongoing external support (e.g., external servers, external call/dispatch centers) that requires money for ongoing operation, that I can understand. If it's just paying to use the things that are already built into the car and those things can function without external support, I do not see the economic justification for it.

[LuFins Dad]

While I absolutely abhor the idea, there is a part of me that understands the appeal for the carmaker. Imagine if they only had to build 1 essential trim? Every car would be the premium, driving the build cost down across the board. On top of that, you would have more choices over the actual features you want. This could actually drive costs down.

[Jolly]

Hackers in 1,2,...

[xenon]

@jolly said in Greed:

Hackers in 1,2,...

And the people whose car was remotely bricked because they broke the terms of service.

[Jolly]

Don't think they can't get around that?

[George K]

@xenon said in Greed:

And the people whose car was remotely bricked

Didn't that happen with Tesla? People unable to unlock their cars with their "phones" because of a software glitch?

As much as I like keyless unlock, start, etc., having a physical key that does those things is a nice thing.

My Audi has "Audi Connect" which gives me traffic info, route guidance, etc. It's (I think) $450 a year.

I have a phone that does those things as well.

[Mik]

Yeah, My Nissan has all that stuff plus remote start that you have to pay for. I bought three months last winter just to try it. Nice in the winter but not worth $8 a month.

[George K]

@mik said in Greed:

remote start

With underground, indoor parking, I have no need for that any more. 15 years ago, I might have paid $96 a year for it.