Xenon, the White Supremacist
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wrote on 17 Feb 2022, 21:43 last edited by
In a free society, government is given the right to rule by the people. The people do not have freedoms because the government's gives it to them. Since government is granted the right to rule by the people, those people can take away the government's right to rule.
The process for doing so is the ballot box - as long as both sides are following the rules. But if a government is not following the rules, the people have the right to protest, and if necessary, remove the government. Laws enacted by that government that declare it illegal to do so are meaningless. When a government makes it illegal for the people to participate in their right to protest that government peacefully, it is not the people violating the law, it is the government violating the law. And if the government refuses to acknowledge the people's right to protest peacefully, demand change, etc... then the people have the right to overthrow that government, by force if necessary.
The key here is to remember just who it is that runs the show. The people run the show.
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I don't understand your point George. I was comparing one set of demonstrators blocking the highways to another. That they were blocking the highway is I need to know. I don't need to have some threshold level of vandalism to also occur in order for me to come to a conclusion.
I'd have been all for removing the BLM guys from the highways even if the summer riots of 2020 had not occurred at all.
wrote on 17 Feb 2022, 22:07 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
I don't understand your point George. I was comparing one set of demonstrators blocking the highways to another. That they were blocking the highway is I need to know. I don't need to have some threshold level of vandalism to also occur in order for me to come to a conclusion.
I'd have been all for removing the BLM guys from the highways even if the summer riots of 2020 had not occurred at all.
Yup.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 00:37 last edited by Renauda
Police action against Ottawa protesters reported as imminent. Police presence has been steadily increasing during the past several hours. One convoy organizer already arrested.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 00:47 last edited by
So, what happens if the truckers unblock the streets, stop honking, get a permit, and behave within the bounds of the law?
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So, what happens if the truckers unblock the streets, stop honking, get a permit, and behave within the bounds of the law?
wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 00:49 last edited by@George-K said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
So, what happens if the truckers unblock the streets, stop honking, get a permit, and behave within the bounds of the law?
Do you see them being approved for the permit?
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@George-K said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
So, what happens if the truckers unblock the streets, stop honking, get a permit, and behave within the bounds of the law?
Do you see them being approved for the permit?
wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 00:52 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
Do you see them being approved for the permit?
LOLGF...
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So, what happens if the truckers unblock the streets, stop honking, get a permit, and behave within the bounds of the law?
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 13:26 last edited by
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 14:44 last edited by
More like an ideologically predisposed and emotionally charged account. In fairness however, I have copied your link to former colleagues, friends and family living in Ottawa for their impressions. I’ll have get back to you later to let you know how their first hand experience of this occupation of the last 22 days balances out with this reporter’s few hours with the mob.
In the meantime it’s good to see the police moving in, occupiers either surrendering or voluntarily dispersing and big rigs leaving. All cumulatively bringing it to a calm end.
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More like an ideologically predisposed and emotionally charged account. In fairness however, I have copied your link to former colleagues, friends and family living in Ottawa for their impressions. I’ll have get back to you later to let you know how their first hand experience of this occupation of the last 22 days balances out with this reporter’s few hours with the mob.
In the meantime it’s good to see the police moving in, occupiers either surrendering or voluntarily dispersing and big rigs leaving. All cumulatively bringing it to a calm end.
wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 14:49 last edited by@Renauda said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
All cumulatively bringing it to a calm end.
Has there been any actual violence? I've not seen any reports. You commented on the cache of weapons that was found, but otherwise, I've seen nothing.
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@Renauda said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
All cumulatively bringing it to a calm end.
Has there been any actual violence? I've not seen any reports. You commented on the cache of weapons that was found, but otherwise, I've seen nothing.
wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 14:59 last edited by RenaudaThere have been random acts of small scale vandalism and criminal mischief as well a cases of residents being threatened and harassed. The protest has closed businesses as well as small health care services and specialized private clinics in the core.
I fully anticipate some open resistance to police to occur in the course of the day. Some protesters are hunkering down and it is not known, or least made known to the public, whether there are weapons among the remaining occupiers.
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@Renauda said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
All cumulatively bringing it to a calm end.
Has there been any actual violence? I've not seen any reports. You commented on the cache of weapons that was found, but otherwise, I've seen nothing.
wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 16:55 last edited by Renauda@George-K said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
You commented on the cache of weapons that was found, but otherwise, I've seen nothing.
Weapons cache was not found in Ottawa. It was found here in Alberta at a protest that closed the primary border crossing for traffic into and from Montana.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 19:25 last edited by
@larry said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
In a free society, government is given the right to rule by the people. The people do not have freedoms because the government's gives it to them. Since government is granted the right to rule by the people, those people can take away the government's right to rule.
The process for doing so is the ballot box - as long as both sides are following the rules. But if a government is not following the rules, the people have the right to protest, and if necessary, remove the government. Laws enacted by that government that declare it illegal to do so are meaningless. When a government makes it illegal for the people to participate in their right to protest that government peacefully, it is not the people violating the law, it is the government violating the law. And if the government refuses to acknowledge the people's right to protest peacefully, demand change, etc... then the people have the right to overthrow that government, by force if necessary.
The key here is to remember just who it is that runs the show. The people run the show.
Fer Gawd's sake, let us not engage in peaceful protest...
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 19:33 last edited by Renauda
Fer Gawd's sake, let us not engage in peaceful protest...
Rather disingenuous of you, Jolly, to try and draw a parallel between MLK’s civil rights rallies against racial discrimination in the 1960’s and this 22 day illegal occupation of Ottawa.
No surprise though, sympathizers of the occupation here not once seemed to be bothered by the occupiers appropriating yellow Stars of David to garner support by also inappropriately and disingenuously conflating their own alleged plight with that of European Jews who fell under the heel of the Nazi jackboot.
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 20:54 last edited by
What does Section 8 of Canada's Charter say? Something about unreasonable search and seizure?
The Canadian government has called the Trucker's Protest domestic terrorism, and as such, has seized their bank accounts. has seized donations given to them electronically and has even seized fungible currencies, such as Bitcoin, which supposedly was immune from government meddling.
And then, donors were doxxed left and right. The jury is still out whether that information was sourced by independent hackers or Canadian government hackers.
So...How does a peaceful protest (and the protest in Ottawa has been remarkable peaceful for that many people) equate to domestic terrorism? Especially enough for Fidel Trudeau to declare an Emergency Powers Act?
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 20:58 last edited by
How about one of the largest differences between the two peaceful protests?
In MLK's case, JFK actually met and talked with King and other members of the March.
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How about one of the largest differences between the two peaceful protests?
In MLK's case, JFK actually met and talked with King and other members of the March.
wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 22:11 last edited by RenaudaYeah , the government here is being decidedly unAmerican. How dare they, eh? An outrage! It’s causing heads to explode all over the USA.
So how about you admitting that you don’t know what you’re even talking about. But keep searching anyway.
In the meantime, the police are doing an exemplary job of shutting it all down slowly, methodically and making arrests only when necessary. All the organizers are now in police custody. Although a few occupiers were earlier trying put their children between them and the advancing police line, most depart voluntarily when ordered.
Just glad to see it coming to what looks to be a peaceful end. You should be too.
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What does Section 8 of Canada's Charter say? Something about unreasonable search and seizure?
The Canadian government has called the Trucker's Protest domestic terrorism, and as such, has seized their bank accounts. has seized donations given to them electronically and has even seized fungible currencies, such as Bitcoin, which supposedly was immune from government meddling.
And then, donors were doxxed left and right. The jury is still out whether that information was sourced by independent hackers or Canadian government hackers.
So...How does a peaceful protest (and the protest in Ottawa has been remarkable peaceful for that many people) equate to domestic terrorism? Especially enough for Fidel Trudeau to declare an Emergency Powers Act?
wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 22:31 last edited by@Jolly said in Xenon, the White Supremacist:
What does Section 8 of Canada's Charter say? Something about unreasonable search and seizure?
The Canadian government has called the Trucker's Protest domestic terrorism, and as such, has seized their bank accounts. has seized donations given to them electronically and has even seized fungible currencies, such as Bitcoin, which supposedly was immune from government meddling.
And then, donors were doxxed left and right. The jury is still out whether that information was sourced by independent hackers or Canadian government hackers.
So...How does a peaceful protest (and the protest in Ottawa has been remarkable peaceful for that many people) equate to domestic terrorism? Especially enough for Fidel Trudeau to declare an Emergency Powers Act?
It would seem the hacking of Give-Send0Go would be as much or more of a terrorist attack than blocking streets?
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 23:08 last edited by
I dunno. How about threatening to kill their dogs?
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wrote on 18 Feb 2022, 23:29 last edited by
You dial it up, I’ll dial it down: