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Pig Heart Transplant

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #22

    Long and fascinating article about this transplant, and also a long look at the history of organ transplantation.

    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/02/28/the-medical-miracle-of-a-pigs-heart-transplant-in-a-human-body

    The article mentions the team at Duke, perhaps @jon-nyc knows some of these people.

    By the way, the heart surgeons I used to work with (we didn't do transplants at our place - no infrastructure support), all said that the surgery is technically pretty simple. You're sewing big things to big things, after all - not like coronary bypass.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
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      #23

      Easy as pie!

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • MikM Mik

        Easy as pie!

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        Jolly
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        #24

        @Mik said in Heart Transplant:

        Easy as pie!

        Pie resents being called easy.

        alt text

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • taiwan_girlT Offline
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          taiwan_girl
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          #25

          Weird that you posted about this today. I just read that the guy died.

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          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

            Weird that you posted about this today. I just read that the guy died.

            LuFins DadL Offline
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            LuFins Dad
            wrote on last edited by
            #26

            @taiwan_girl said in Heart Transplant:

            Weird that you posted about this today. I just read that the guy died.

            Yep, I saw that too.

            The Brad

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            • AxtremusA Offline
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              #27

              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/03/09/human-pig-heart-transplant-patient-dies/9437650002/

              The transplant patient died.

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/03/09/human-pig-heart-transplant-patient-dies/9437650002/

                The transplant patient died.

                IvorythumperI Offline
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                Ivorythumper
                wrote on last edited by
                #28

                do the dark humor jokes go here or in the designated thread?

                I'm sorry to hear that.

                It was brave that he decided to be a guinea pig.

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
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                  #29

                  This is a win.

                  The patient was in horrible shape, and there's no way they would have put a human donor heart in him.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
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                    #30

                    A big win. Two months for the first attempt is a pretty good indication of viability.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • MikM Mik

                      A big win. Two months for the first attempt is a pretty good indication of viability.

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                      Doctor Phibes
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                      #31

                      @Mik said in Heart Transplant:

                      A big win.

                      Not for pigs, it isn't.

                      I was only joking

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                      • HoraceH Offline
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                        Horace
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                        #32

                        Still viable for bacon.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • jon-nycJ Offline
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                          The transplant raised ethical concerns among animal rights activists, who believe animals should not be sacrificed for human benefit, and among some who objected to Bennett, who had served time in prison for attacking a man with a knife, receiving a life-extending procedure.

                          Well, there’s two groups of people who can go fuck themselves.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            The transplant raised ethical concerns among animal rights activists, who believe animals should not be sacrificed for human benefit, and among some who objected to Bennett, who had served time in prison for attacking a man with a knife, receiving a life-extending procedure.

                            Well, there’s two groups of people who can go fuck themselves.

                            JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
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                            @jon-nyc said in Heart Transplant:

                            The transplant raised ethical concerns among animal rights activists, who believe animals should not be sacrificed for human benefit, and among some who objected to Bennett, who had served time in prison for attacking a man with a knife, receiving a life-extending procedure.

                            Well, there’s two groups of people who can go fuck themselves.

                            Couldn't agree more.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              Horace
                              wrote on last edited by
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                              Their virtue can seem antisocial to some. That's why virtue such as theirs also requires courage.

                              Education is extremely important.

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                                Copper
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                                #36

                                Maybe they should give the guy's heart to the pig. At least give him a fighting chance.

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
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                                  Pig virus may have been one factor in historic pig heart transplant patient's death

                                  The death of David Bennett Sr., who received a pig heart in place of his own, may have been hastened by another thing he got from the pig: a common virus.

                                  In Bennett's weakened state, the virus called pig cytomegalovirus or CMV might have been one of several factors that contributed to his eventual demise, according to Dr. Muhammad Mohiuddin, who co-led the University of Maryland Medicine team, that performed the Jan. 7 transplant.

                                  Bennett died two months after receiving the pig heart, which itself was a last-ditch effort to save his life.

                                  An autopsy after Bennett's death suggested that while the pig heart had been pumping well, scar tissue was building up in the organ, thickening it and preventing it from fully relaxing after pushing through the blood.

                                  Examination also revealed the presence of pig cytomegalovirus, the porcine version of a very common human virus usually kept in check by the immune system. A PCR analysis of tissue from Bennett's heart showed some viral DNA, though researchers found no clear signs of infection.

                                  The pig CMV clearly came from the transplant and was not something Bennett caught earlier, Mohiuddin said, although the pig had been checked for the virus using all available testing methods.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #38

                                    That's interesting. How do you guaranty a totally disease-free pig?

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      That's interesting. How do you guaranty a totally disease-free pig?

                                      George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #39

                                      @Jolly said in Heart Transplant:

                                      That's interesting. How do you guaranty a totally disease-free pig?

                                      Aqua's Sister in 3....2....1...

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                        #40

                                        Interestingly I take an antiviral to protect me from (human) CMV which my donor had but I didn't. I have to take it forever.

                                        CMV is very common, if I had had it pre-transplant it wouldn't be a problem and I wouldn't take the anti-virals. But if I catch it now it could be an issue.

                                        BTW, Moderna is working on a vaccine for it.

                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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                                          I suppose that’s another risk with “non-human to human” transplant — we may hasten a whole bunch of viruses “jumping” from non-human to human, and this has implications far beyond transplant patients.

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