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Pig Heart Transplant

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    jon-nyc
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    #14

    Yeah, even regular transplants that happen after a month of ECMO have long recovery times.

    By contrast I was out of ICU in 2 days, out of hospital in 14. Did a 5k (walk mostly) at 3months.

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      #15

      By the way, a history of non-compliance is enough to get you rejected by many programs.

      But the guy’s trouble finding a program that would accept him probably was part of his decision to accept the animal heart in the first place.

      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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        Another thing, that Dr’s interview is one big HIPPA violation

        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
        -Cormac McCarthy

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        • MikM Away
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          Mik
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          I suspect the appropriate authorizations were signed in advance and probably a condition of taking part.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            Yeah, even regular transplants that happen after a month of ECMO have long recovery times.

            By contrast I was out of ICU in 2 days, out of hospital in 14. Did a 5k (walk mostly) at 3months.

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            #18

            @jon-nyc said in Heart Transplant:

            Yeah, even regular transplants that happen after a month of ECMO have long recovery times.

            By contrast I was out of ICU in 2 days, out of hospital in 14. Did a 5k (walk mostly) at 3months.

            That's wicked good.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • JollyJ Jolly

              @jon-nyc said in Heart Transplant:

              Yeah, even regular transplants that happen after a month of ECMO have long recovery times.

              By contrast I was out of ICU in 2 days, out of hospital in 14. Did a 5k (walk mostly) at 3months.

              That's wicked good.

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              @jolly said in Heart Transplant:

              @jon-nyc said in Heart Transplant:

              Yeah, even regular transplants that happen after a month of ECMO have long recovery times.

              By contrast I was out of ICU in 2 days, out of hospital in 14. Did a 5k (walk mostly) at 3months.

              That's wicked good.

              Thanks. The 5k in particular, even though I walked much of it I still finished in 39m. Other guys get out of the hospital in 2 weeks or so. But I don’t know any who were as recovered at 3mo.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • MikM Away
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                Mik
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                #20

                Motivation.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  #21

                  A close friend of mine underwent a whipple surgery in November. Young guy too, in his forties, good shape and no underlying conditions. He was in the ICU for close to three weeks.

                  You did very well Jon. You one tough guy. Cheers!

                  Elbows up!

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #22

                    Long and fascinating article about this transplant, and also a long look at the history of organ transplantation.

                    https://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2022/02/28/the-medical-miracle-of-a-pigs-heart-transplant-in-a-human-body

                    The article mentions the team at Duke, perhaps @jon-nyc knows some of these people.

                    By the way, the heart surgeons I used to work with (we didn't do transplants at our place - no infrastructure support), all said that the surgery is technically pretty simple. You're sewing big things to big things, after all - not like coronary bypass.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Away
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                      Easy as pie!

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        Easy as pie!

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                        @Mik said in Heart Transplant:

                        Easy as pie!

                        Pie resents being called easy.

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                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          taiwan_girl
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                          #25

                          Weird that you posted about this today. I just read that the guy died.

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                          • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                            Weird that you posted about this today. I just read that the guy died.

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                            @taiwan_girl said in Heart Transplant:

                            Weird that you posted about this today. I just read that the guy died.

                            Yep, I saw that too.

                            The Brad

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                              https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/03/09/human-pig-heart-transplant-patient-dies/9437650002/

                              The transplant patient died.

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                              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                                https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/health/2022/03/09/human-pig-heart-transplant-patient-dies/9437650002/

                                The transplant patient died.

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                                Ivorythumper
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                                do the dark humor jokes go here or in the designated thread?

                                I'm sorry to hear that.

                                It was brave that he decided to be a guinea pig.

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                                  This is a win.

                                  The patient was in horrible shape, and there's no way they would have put a human donor heart in him.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • MikM Away
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                                    Mik
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                                    A big win. Two months for the first attempt is a pretty good indication of viability.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      A big win. Two months for the first attempt is a pretty good indication of viability.

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                                      @Mik said in Heart Transplant:

                                      A big win.

                                      Not for pigs, it isn't.

                                      I was only joking

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                                      • HoraceH Offline
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                                        Horace
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                                        Still viable for bacon.

                                        Education is extremely important.

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                                          The transplant raised ethical concerns among animal rights activists, who believe animals should not be sacrificed for human benefit, and among some who objected to Bennett, who had served time in prison for attacking a man with a knife, receiving a life-extending procedure.

                                          Well, there’s two groups of people who can go fuck themselves.

                                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                          -Cormac McCarthy

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