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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #15

    https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-white-house-art-of-furious-persuasion-psaki-manchin-build-back-better-no-statement-11639947001

    The White House Art of Furious Persuasion

    Jen Psaki all but calls Joe Manchin a liar for opposing Biden’s bill.

    By Dec. 19, 2021 5:59 pm ET

    The progressive whiz kids who run President Biden’s White House don’t have much sense of self-restraint—or common political sense. Their response on Sunday to Sen. Joe Manchin’s opposition to Build Back Better was to accuse him of bad faith while saying they’ll beat him up until he changes his mind.

    Press secretary Jen Psaki issued a blistering statement saying Mr. Manchin’s comments on Fox News Sunday “are at odds with his discussions this week with the President, with White House staff, and with his own public utterances.” We can’t speak for his private White House talks, but Mr. Manchin’s public comments have been consistent for months. On Sunday he finally said no.

    Ms. Psaki charged ahead in furious disregard: “Just as Senator Manchin reversed his position on Build Back Better this morning, we will continue to press him to see if he will reverse his position yet again, to honor his prior commitments and be true to his word.”

    Maybe Mr. Biden’s masters of the universe know something about the art of persuasion that we don’t. But we doubt calling a Senator a liar is going to bring him around.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • AxtremusA Offline
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      Axtremus
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      #16

      Manchin blames it on the help.
      https://www.reuters.com/world/us/manchin-says-white-house-staff-drove-him-reject-bidens-social-policy-plan-2021-12-20/

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      • AxtremusA Axtremus

        Manchin blames it on the help.
        https://www.reuters.com/world/us/manchin-says-white-house-staff-drove-him-reject-bidens-social-policy-plan-2021-12-20/

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        #17

        @axtremus said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

        Manchin blames it on the help.
        https://www.reuters.com/world/us/manchin-says-white-house-staff-drove-him-reject-bidens-social-policy-plan-2021-12-20/

        Ax how do you like that bill? Do you wish it would pass? I don't.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • LarryL Offline
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          Larry
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          #18

          Ax, you proud of Biden yet?

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #19

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #20

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • CopperC Offline
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                Copper
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                #21

                “Hate Has No Home Here”

                I saw those signs all over the place in Boston a couple years ago.

                There were none around here (rural Virginia).

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                • LuFins DadL Offline
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                  LuFins Dad
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                  #22

                  They are still assuming Sinema was a yes vote.

                  The Brad

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #23

                    Interesting: https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/us-literacy-rates-by-state

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • CopperC Copper

                      “Hate Has No Home Here”

                      I saw those signs all over the place in Boston a couple years ago.

                      There were none around here (rural Virginia).

                      LuFins DadL Offline
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                      LuFins Dad
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #24

                      @copper said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                      “Hate Has No Home Here”

                      I saw those signs all over the place in Boston a couple years ago.

                      There were none around here (rural Virginia).

                      Karla wants to make a sign that says “Welcome, Hate! Have a seat and make yourself at home!”

                      The Brad

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                      • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                        @copper said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                        “Hate Has No Home Here”

                        I saw those signs all over the place in Boston a couple years ago.

                        There were none around here (rural Virginia).

                        Karla wants to make a sign that says “Welcome, Hate! Have a seat and make yourself at home!”

                        AxtremusA Offline
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                        Axtremus
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #25

                        @lufins-dad said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                        Karla wants to make a sign that says “Welcome, Hate! Have a seat and make yourself at home!”

                        Please post pictures.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
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                          #26

                          Louisiana would have a much higher literacy rate, but a lot of our best and brightest move out of state.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            Louisiana would have a much higher literacy rate, but a lot of our best and brightest move out of state.

                            AxtremusA Offline
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                            @jolly said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                            Louisiana ... a lot of our best and brightest move out of state.

                            Why, and where to?

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                            • AxtremusA Axtremus

                              @jolly said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                              Louisiana ... a lot of our best and brightest move out of state.

                              Why, and where to?

                              JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
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                              @axtremus said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                              @jolly said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                              Louisiana ... a lot of our best and brightest move out of state.

                              Why, and where to?

                              Been a lot of kids heading to Austin, including my son and his wife.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • JollyJ Jolly

                                @axtremus said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                                @jolly said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                                Louisiana ... a lot of our best and brightest move out of state.

                                Why, and where to?

                                Been a lot of kids heading to Austin, including my son and his wife.

                                AxtremusA Offline
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                                Axtremus
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                                @jolly said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                                @axtremus said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                                @jolly said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                                Louisiana ... a lot of our best and brightest move out of state.

                                Why, and where to?

                                Been a lot of kids heading to Austin, including my son and his wife.

                                Why did they choose to leave Louisiana?
                                Why did they choose to relocate to Austin (instead of any other town/state)?

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                                  Renauda
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                                  #30

                                  The 25% subsidy for US built electric cars and components contained in the bill would have caused a trade war with Canada and Mexico. It was contrary to the USMCAN trade Treaty as well as the Auto Pact between Canada and the USA. It would as well likely run afoul of the WTO if a grievance were brought forward.

                                  Manchin did the US a big favour by quashing the bill. It was a shit bill from square one.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Mik
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                                    It was nothing but buying votes promising payoffs. I surely would like to see these issues addressed separately rather than huge, unreadable bills.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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