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    Axtremus
    wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 15:58 last edited by
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    https://www.politico.com/news/2021/12/19/manchin-says-he-wont-support-bidens-social-spending-bill-525458

    Manchin finally declares a hard "no."

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 16:36 last edited by
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      You know, I absolutely do not understand why they keep saying “One Man” it’s not one man, it’s 51 frigging Senators blocking it. Over half. Not “one man”. Above and beyond that it’s millions of citizens that these Senators are representing. So shut the hell up with all this crap.

      The Brad

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        Axtremus
        wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 16:46 last edited by
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        @lufins-dad said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

        ... I absolutely do not understand why they keep saying “One Man” it’s not one man, it’s 51 frigging Senators blocking it.

        Indeed there are 51 U.S. Senators opposing this.

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          LuFins Dad
          wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 17:02 last edited by
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          For that matter, has Sinema ever officially gotten on board? I don’t think I saw anything indicating that she had been won over…

          The Brad

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            Mik
            wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 17:12 last edited by
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            No so far its 52.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Mik
              wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 17:12 last edited by
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              Thank God.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                19 Dec 2021, 17:12

                No so far its 52.

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                LuFins Dad
                wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 17:16 last edited by
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                @mik said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                No so far its 52.

                Thanks, I thought Sinema had caved and I missed it.

                The Brad

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                  George K
                  wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 23:28 last edited by
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                  And the White House has a meltdown.

                  And Sanders (who obviously doesn't understand the concept of "majority").

                  And Rep Omar (D-Somalia)

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                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    George K
                    wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 23:30 last edited by
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                    Edited to add my (dupe) posts to Ax's original thread. My PWNED thread is deleted.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 23:30 last edited by
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                      So, should I copy the White House response to the "Biden's Lies" thread?

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Axtremus
                        wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 23:45 last edited by
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                        White House's response:

                        https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/19/statement-from-press-secretary-jen-psaki-4/

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                          19 Dec 2021, 23:45

                          White House's response:

                          https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2021/12/19/statement-from-press-secretary-jen-psaki-4/

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                          George K
                          wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 23:57 last edited by
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                          @axtremus PWNED above....

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            George K
                            wrote on 19 Dec 2021, 23:58 last edited by
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                            If it weren't for the double standard....

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                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on 20 Dec 2021, 00:13 last edited by
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                              I wonder if they even realize that the Pre-K Childcare is the biggest nightmare in this clusterfuck. Everybody has had their eyes opened over the last two years to what the schools have done to our kids and now they want even earlier access? Hell no…

                              The Brad

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                                George K
                                wrote on 20 Dec 2021, 17:28 last edited by
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                                https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-white-house-art-of-furious-persuasion-psaki-manchin-build-back-better-no-statement-11639947001

                                The White House Art of Furious Persuasion

                                Jen Psaki all but calls Joe Manchin a liar for opposing Biden’s bill.

                                By Dec. 19, 2021 5:59 pm ET

                                The progressive whiz kids who run President Biden’s White House don’t have much sense of self-restraint—or common political sense. Their response on Sunday to Sen. Joe Manchin’s opposition to Build Back Better was to accuse him of bad faith while saying they’ll beat him up until he changes his mind.

                                Press secretary Jen Psaki issued a blistering statement saying Mr. Manchin’s comments on Fox News Sunday “are at odds with his discussions this week with the President, with White House staff, and with his own public utterances.” We can’t speak for his private White House talks, but Mr. Manchin’s public comments have been consistent for months. On Sunday he finally said no.

                                Ms. Psaki charged ahead in furious disregard: “Just as Senator Manchin reversed his position on Build Back Better this morning, we will continue to press him to see if he will reverse his position yet again, to honor his prior commitments and be true to his word.”

                                Maybe Mr. Biden’s masters of the universe know something about the art of persuasion that we don’t. But we doubt calling a Senator a liar is going to bring him around.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Axtremus
                                  wrote on 20 Dec 2021, 17:55 last edited by
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                                  Manchin blames it on the help.
                                  https://www.reuters.com/world/us/manchin-says-white-house-staff-drove-him-reject-bidens-social-policy-plan-2021-12-20/

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                                    20 Dec 2021, 17:55

                                    Manchin blames it on the help.
                                    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/manchin-says-white-house-staff-drove-him-reject-bidens-social-policy-plan-2021-12-20/

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                                    Horace
                                    wrote on 20 Dec 2021, 18:18 last edited by
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                                    @axtremus said in Manchin declares opposition against social and climate change spending bill:

                                    Manchin blames it on the help.
                                    https://www.reuters.com/world/us/manchin-says-white-house-staff-drove-him-reject-bidens-social-policy-plan-2021-12-20/

                                    Ax how do you like that bill? Do you wish it would pass? I don't.

                                    Education is extremely important.

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                                      Larry
                                      wrote on 20 Dec 2021, 19:26 last edited by
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                                      Ax, you proud of Biden yet?

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 20 Dec 2021, 19:55 last edited by
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                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 21 Dec 2021, 20:04 last edited by
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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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