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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    Screen Shot 2020-05-21 at 3.06.03 PM.png

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      Just had my blood draw this morning for antibody testing. Yes, I wish you had gotten a positive test result. It wouldn't free you from being cautious, but it would provide some peace of mind if it becomes clear that antibodies = immunity.

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        @jon-nyc said in Expected, but disappointing:

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        Better luck next time?😷

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          That was a quick turnaround. I haven’t actually scheduled mine yet. I suppose I should. What’s the error rates on that test?

          The Brad

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            Yeah, Tuesday morning blood draw. Results mid day Thursday.

            Pretty high quality:

            Screen Shot 2020-05-21 at 4.56.17 PM.png

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • LuFins DadL Offline
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              There’s what? 2 Abbott antibody tests? 3?

              The Brad

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                So mine is a standing order that I'm eligible for weekly, though I only do it monthly.

                If I showed a positive at some point, I would repeat it that next week before I started celebrating too much.

                Only non-witches get due process.

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                • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                  There’s what? 2 Abbott antibody tests? 3?

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                  @LuFins-Dad said in Expected, but disappointing:

                  There’s what? 2 Abbott antibody tests? 3?

                  The Architect is a big floor model instrument. It's not something you find in small hospital labs.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    @jon-nyc , are there any data regarding SARS-CoV-2 in transplant recipients, particularly lung recipients?

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      I thought that I had read that the sensitivity or specificity of the Abbott Antibody Test was 85%, which made me think that one lab may run several different types of Antibody testing...

                      The Brad

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                        This data is about one test (though there are in fact two different abbott tests).

                        Sensitivity of 100% means there were no false negatives in their sample of 88. Specificity of 99.6% comes from 4 false positives in their 1070.

                        The PPV and NPV are positive and negative predictive values. These are a function both of test accuracy AND the prevalence of the virus in the population (in this case they're assuming ~5%)

                        THe logic there is as follows:

                        Suppose 1 in 100 was a false positive, and we knew that there were fewer than 1 in 1000 ACTUAL positives? In that case if you tested 1000 people you'd expect 10 positive tests even though only one person would expected to actually be infected. SO the predictive power would be 10%.

                        But what if half the population was infected, and you still had a 1 in 100 false positive rate?

                        If you tested 1000 people, you'd expect 500 to be real positives and 10 to be false positives. So the predictive power of a positive result would be 98%.

                        Only non-witches get due process.

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                          LD - see this for some other FDA results:

                          https://www.fda.gov/medical-devices/emergency-situations-medical-devices/eua-authorized-serology-test-performance

                          Only non-witches get due process.

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                            George - no 'data', but there are anecdotes. THey're mixed so far but not as bad as many of us expected they'd be.

                            Though FWIW I personally knew just one and she died, early - March 30.

                            I am tracking it pretty closely because at some point I'll need to make a call about whether/how to remain isolated when things open back up.

                            Like, do I keep the boy out of school in September? Do I take my chances? Or do I let him go to school and get an apartment nearby? Same w/ Rachel going back to work.

                            I will need to make a call on that by September at the latest, and will base it heavily on my own (imperfect) expectations as to my survival odds.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                              alt text

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                George - no 'data', but there are anecdotes. THey're mixed so far but not as bad as many of us expected they'd be.

                                Though FWIW I personally knew just one and she died, early - March 30.

                                I am tracking it pretty closely because at some point I'll need to make a call about whether/how to remain isolated when things open back up.

                                Like, do I keep the boy out of school in September? Do I take my chances? Or do I let him go to school and get an apartment nearby? Same w/ Rachel going back to work.

                                I will need to make a call on that by September at the latest, and will base it heavily on my own (imperfect) expectations as to my survival odds.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Expected, but disappointing:

                                George - no 'data', but there are anecdotes. THey're mixed so far but not as bad as many of us expected they'd be.

                                Though FWIW I personally knew just one and she died, early - March 30.

                                I am tracking it pretty closely because at some point I'll need to make a call about whether/how to remain isolated when things open back up.

                                Like, do I keep the boy out of school in September? Do I take my chances? Or do I let him go to school and get an apartment nearby? Same w/ Rachel going back to work.

                                I will need to make a call on that by September at the latest, and will base it heavily on my own (imperfect) expectations as to my survival odds.

                                If I were in your situation, I'd be just as cautious as you. I totally understand your concern. It's tough to know what the right thing to do is...

                                We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                                Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                                  I've read some stuff saying we might have eight million homeschool kids this fall. Don't know what your views are, but I would evaluate it.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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