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No more RVs in California?

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  • George KG Offline
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    Generator Ban Passes in California

    The California Air Resources Board (CARB) passed a regulation aimed at “Small Off-Road Engines” on Thursday that will ban the sale of portable generators in the state — which includes generators mounted in recreational vehicles.

    The ruling bans the sale of gas-powered leaf blowers and lawnmowers in the state beginning in 2024. Portable generators will be required to meet more stringent standards in 2024 and meet zero-emission standards starting in 2028.

    In the 2024 model year, portable generators will have to improve their efficiency by somewhere between 40% and 90%, which seems unrealistic in such a short period of time, so the reality is, it will be very hard to find a generator in Calfornia in two years.

    The original text of the ruling was ambiguous on whether the use of generators would be banned — that’s been cleared up. You will still be able to use a generator you already own in California, so there will be no issue for current RV owners or those who travel into the state.

    The statement from CARB says that despite their small size, Small Off-Road Engines are highly polluting. The volume of smog-forming emissions from this type of equipment has surpassed emissions from light-duty passenger cars and is projected to be nearly twice those of passenger cars by 2031.

    The ruling seems directly aimed at landscaping businesses, trying to get them to adopt battery power. But does lumping generators in with lawnmowers and leaf blowers make sense, especially in a state with so many power outages? A comparable solar system to a $400 generator costs in the tens of thousands and is still hampered by a cloudy day.

    The RV industry has recently embraced solar power heavily, but the reality is, without extensive upgrades, it’s impossible to run the electrical systems on an RV without shore power or a generator. Many people — even those with solar power systems — use their generators for emergency power.

    The new regulation does not apply to diesel or propane generators, but it will apply to gasoline generators mounted in an RV.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      California Air Resources Board

      Who elected them? I’m sure the answer is “no one”.

      Only non-witches get due process.

      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        California Air Resources Board

        Who elected them? I’m sure the answer is “no one”.

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        @jon-nyc said in No more RVs in California?:

        Who elected them? I’m sure the answer is “no one”.

        Be quiet, peasant.

        The California Air Resources Board consists of 16 members.

        12 are appointed by the Governor and confirmed by the state Senate. The 12 members include five who serve on local air districts, four experts in fields that shape air quality rules, two public members and one, the Chair, who serves as the only full-time member. The Governor can choose any of the board members to serve as the Chair.

        The other four include two who represent environmental justice communities (one appointed by the Senate and the other by the Assembly) and two nonvoting members appointed for Legislative oversight, one each from the Senate and Assembly.

        In July 2018, the Board established staggered six-year terms for voting members pursuant to AB 197.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          California don't need no steenkin' RV's.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Sounds like they can have RVs, just have to cross over to Nevada to buy them.

            Only non-witches get due process.

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            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

              Sounds like they can have RVs, just have to cross over to Nevada to buy them.

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              @jon-nyc said in No more RVs in California?:

              Sounds like they can have RVs, just have to cross over to Nevada to buy them.

              Yeah.

              You will still be able to use a generator you already own in California, so there will be no issue for current RV owners or those who travel into the state.

              I wonder if this'll kneecap the industry in California.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                idiots

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