Smoke 'em if you got 'em
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@george-k said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
Considering how well prohibition has worked out in the past, I'm really surprised the Kiwis are doing this.
It’s not really the same tactic. They’re not banning it for older people, just people who’ve never had the opportunity.
Still, it could easily backfire
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
It’s not really the same tactic. They’re not banning it for older people, just people who’ve never had the opportunity.
I totally understand the difference. But, in 20 years, when the "older" people are no longer around to smoke them, it will be precisely prohibition.
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@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
It’s not really the same tactic. They’re not banning it for older people, just people who’ve never had the opportunity.
I totally understand the difference. But, in 20 years, when the "older" people are no longer around to smoke them, it will be precisely prohibition.
@george-k said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
It’s not really the same tactic. They’re not banning it for older people, just people who’ve never had the opportunity.
I totally understand the difference. But, in 20 years, when the "older" people are no longer around to smoke them, it will be precisely prohibition.
It’s interesting. I asked my kids about it and they said hardly anybody smokes tobacco that they know. Quite a few smoke weed, but not cigarettes. Now we’re talking nice middle class neighborhood, so maybe not representative.
When they banned smoking in British pubs a lot of us couldn’t imagine going in any more, but it’s a distant memory, and way, way nicer now. I went to an “Irish”pub in the US a few years back where everybody smoked, and it was really quite horrible.
I was only joking
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It is hard to imagine how great it was
In college, we smoked in class, nobody complained
At work we smoked in crowded meetings, nobody complained
At restaurants, airplanes and hospitals, go ahead, have a smoke
Our children will never know that freedom
@copper said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
It is hard to imagine how great it was
In college, we smoked in class, nobody complained
At work we smoked in crowded meetings, nobody complained
At restaurants, airplanes and hospitals, go ahead, have a smoke
Our children will never know that freedom
Lung cancer is a horrible way to die. I had a friend who died a couple of years ago after smoking his whole life. He was younger than I am and left behind two teenage kids.
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The cigarettes got my father at age 73 with COPD
My 92 year old mother is still smoking, she is fine, her father smoked until age 98, no problem
Like most things, smoking cigarettes doesn't guarantee anything
Neither does whisky, let's hope the wokes never get ahold of alcohol again, wishful thinking I know.
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What's been done to cigarettes is hardly a result of woke thinking - that's just revisionist. Blame something you don't approve of on wokeness.
You'll be going on about crash helmets, drink driving and seat-belts next. Not forgetting health and safety legislation in the workplace, of course!
I was only joking
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@george-k said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
It’s not really the same tactic. They’re not banning it for older people, just people who’ve never had the opportunity.
I totally understand the difference. But, in 20 years, when the "older" people are no longer around to smoke them, it will be precisely prohibition.
It’s interesting. I asked my kids about it and they said hardly anybody smokes tobacco that they know. Quite a few smoke weed, but not cigarettes. Now we’re talking nice middle class neighborhood, so maybe not representative.
When they banned smoking in British pubs a lot of us couldn’t imagine going in any more, but it’s a distant memory, and way, way nicer now. I went to an “Irish”pub in the US a few years back where everybody smoked, and it was really quite horrible.
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@george-k said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
It’s not really the same tactic. They’re not banning it for older people, just people who’ve never had the opportunity.
I totally understand the difference. But, in 20 years, when the "older" people are no longer around to smoke them, it will be precisely prohibition.
It’s interesting. I asked my kids about it and they said hardly anybody smokes tobacco that they know. Quite a few smoke weed, but not cigarettes. Now we’re talking nice middle class neighborhood, so maybe not representative.
Now ask them how many of their friends vape.
When they banned smoking in British pubs a lot of us couldn’t imagine going in any more, but it’s a distant memory, and way, way nicer now. I went to an “Irish”pub in the US a few years back where everybody smoked, and it was really quite horrible.
WTF dude you were living in MA when that happened. I was spending every other week there.
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@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@george-k said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
It’s not really the same tactic. They’re not banning it for older people, just people who’ve never had the opportunity.
I totally understand the difference. But, in 20 years, when the "older" people are no longer around to smoke them, it will be precisely prohibition.
It’s interesting. I asked my kids about it and they said hardly anybody smokes tobacco that they know. Quite a few smoke weed, but not cigarettes. Now we’re talking nice middle class neighborhood, so maybe not representative.
Now ask them how many of their friends vape.
When they banned smoking in British pubs a lot of us couldn’t imagine going in any more, but it’s a distant memory, and way, way nicer now. I went to an “Irish”pub in the US a few years back where everybody smoked, and it was really quite horrible.
WTF dude you were living in MA when that happened. I was spending every other week there.
@jon-nyc said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@george-k said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
It’s not really the same tactic. They’re not banning it for older people, just people who’ve never had the opportunity.
I totally understand the difference. But, in 20 years, when the "older" people are no longer around to smoke them, it will be precisely prohibition.
It’s interesting. I asked my kids about it and they said hardly anybody smokes tobacco that they know. Quite a few smoke weed, but not cigarettes. Now we’re talking nice middle class neighborhood, so maybe not representative.
Now ask them how many of their friends vape.
When they banned smoking in British pubs a lot of us couldn’t imagine going in any more, but it’s a distant memory, and way, way nicer now. I went to an “Irish”pub in the US a few years back where everybody smoked, and it was really quite horrible.
WTF dude you were living in MA when that happened. I was spending every other week there.
I imagine the initial whining was unbearable. I was really surprised how nice the pubs were when I went back.
The tobacco lobby is blaming the ban for the decline of pubs, but I don’t buy it. I suspect the availability of cheap beer for home use has much more to do with it.
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What's been done to cigarettes is hardly a result of woke thinking - that's just revisionist. Blame something you don't approve of on wokeness.
You'll be going on about crash helmets, drink driving and seat-belts next. Not forgetting health and safety legislation in the workplace, of course!
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
What's been done to cigarettes is hardly a result of woke thinking - that's just revisionist. Blame something you don't approve of on wokeness.
You'll be going on about crash helmets, drink driving and seat-belts next. Not forgetting health and safety legislation in the workplace, of course!
Sure, I will be going on about all of them.
But I wouldn't take them all on at once, maybe later.
As you point out, they really do all have the same foundation, some caring soul wants me to be happy.
And they are kind enough to show me how. -
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
What's been done to cigarettes is hardly a result of woke thinking - that's just revisionist. Blame something you don't approve of on wokeness.
You'll be going on about crash helmets, drink driving and seat-belts next. Not forgetting health and safety legislation in the workplace, of course!
Sure, I will be going on about all of them.
But I wouldn't take them all on at once, maybe later.
As you point out, they really do all have the same foundation, some caring soul wants me to be happy.
And they are kind enough to show me how.@copper said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
What's been done to cigarettes is hardly a result of woke thinking - that's just revisionist. Blame something you don't approve of on wokeness.
You'll be going on about crash helmets, drink driving and seat-belts next. Not forgetting health and safety legislation in the workplace, of course!
Sure, I will be going on about all of them.
But I wouldn't take them all on at once, maybe later.
As you point out, they really do all have the same foundation, some caring soul wants me to be happy.
And they are kind enough to show me how.No, safety in the workplace is designed to stop you from killing the people who work for you. We don’t care whether you’re happy.
Similarly, seatbelts are to allow you not to die horribly and to protect your children from being ejected from the car.
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@copper said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
What's been done to cigarettes is hardly a result of woke thinking - that's just revisionist. Blame something you don't approve of on wokeness.
You'll be going on about crash helmets, drink driving and seat-belts next. Not forgetting health and safety legislation in the workplace, of course!
Sure, I will be going on about all of them.
But I wouldn't take them all on at once, maybe later.
As you point out, they really do all have the same foundation, some caring soul wants me to be happy.
And they are kind enough to show me how.No, safety in the workplace is designed to stop you from killing the people who work for you. We don’t care whether you’re happy.
Similarly, seatbelts are to allow you not to die horribly and to protect your children from being ejected from the car.
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@copper said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
What's been done to cigarettes is hardly a result of woke thinking - that's just revisionist. Blame something you don't approve of on wokeness.
You'll be going on about crash helmets, drink driving and seat-belts next. Not forgetting health and safety legislation in the workplace, of course!
Sure, I will be going on about all of them.
But I wouldn't take them all on at once, maybe later.
As you point out, they really do all have the same foundation, some caring soul wants me to be happy.
And they are kind enough to show me how.No, safety in the workplace is designed to stop you from killing the people who work for you. We don’t care whether you’re happy.
Similarly, seatbelts are to allow you not to die horribly and to protect your children from being ejected from the car.
There are reasonable people who disagree.
I understand it is absolutely, positively, without question impossible to understand that.
These reasonable people must be insulted, yes, of course.
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Almost every smoker person that I have talked to is in favor of the restrictions on smoking in indoor public places. They realize now bad their clothes, hair etc smelled.
I was in the small town of Obenovac Serbia a long number of years ago, and I went to see a basketball game and they allowed smoking by the spectators. I though it was kind of funny. Kind of like the picture Copper showed. Althletes competing but breathing in cigarette smoke.
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@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@copper said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
@doctor-phibes said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
What's been done to cigarettes is hardly a result of woke thinking - that's just revisionist. Blame something you don't approve of on wokeness.
You'll be going on about crash helmets, drink driving and seat-belts next. Not forgetting health and safety legislation in the workplace, of course!
Sure, I will be going on about all of them.
But I wouldn't take them all on at once, maybe later.
As you point out, they really do all have the same foundation, some caring soul wants me to be happy.
And they are kind enough to show me how.No, safety in the workplace is designed to stop you from killing the people who work for you. We don’t care whether you’re happy.
Similarly, seatbelts are to allow you not to die horribly and to protect your children from being ejected from the car.
There are reasonable people who disagree.
I understand it is absolutely, positively, without question impossible to understand that.
These reasonable people must be insulted, yes, of course.
@copper said in Smoke 'em if you got 'em:
There are reasonable people who disagree.
Yeah, there are a ton of reasonable people out there who think that health and safety in the workplace is a bad idea, as is wearing a safety belt. They're everywhere.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-59589775
New Zealand will ban the sale of tobacco to its next generation, in a bid to eventually phase out smoking.
Anyone born after 2008 will not be able to buy cigarettes or tobacco products in their lifetime, under a law expected to be enacted next year.
"We want to make sure young people never start smoking," Health Minister Dr Ayesha Verall said.
The move is part of a sweeping crackdown on smoking announced by New Zealand's health ministry on Thursday.
Doctors and other health experts in the country have welcomed the "world-leading" reforms, which will reduce access to tobacco and restrict nicotine levels in cigarettes.
"It will help people quit or switch to less harmful products, and make it much less likely that young people get addicted to nicotine," said Prof Janet Hook from the University of Otago.
The crackdown has been met with mixed reactions.
"I reckon it's a good move, really," one man told Reuters news agency. "Because right now there's a lot of young kids walking around with smokes in their mouth. Public are asking how they're getting these smokes.
"And it's also good for myself too because I can save more money."
However, others have warned that the move may create a black market for tobacco - something the health ministry's official impact statement does acknowledge, noting "customs will need more resource to enforce border control".New Zealand will ban the sale of tobacco to its next generation, in a bid to eventually phase out smoking.
Anyone born after 2008 will not be able to buy cigarettes or tobacco products in their lifetime,The UK is doing the same thing.
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn08jy6w0l5oTeenagers turning 18 in Britain will no longer be able to buy a pack of cigarettes following new legislation aimed at implementing a generational smoking ban.
Lawmakers approved a bill that makes it illegal for shops to sell tobacco to anyone born after January 1, 2009. The new legislation, called the Tobacco and Vapes Bill, is part of a broader series of measures aimed at addressing the health risks of smoking.
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