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If Roe is overturned

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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
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    Here's what comes next.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/if-roe-v-wade-is-overturned-here-s-what-happens/ar-AARsz55?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=U531

    One interesting quote from a pro-abortion person:

    "What we saw in Texas, and what people will walk away from [the Mississippi oral arguments with], is a level of rage that we could be living in a world six months from now — where our children have fewer rights than we have right now."

    Such a lack of self awareness.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      When Kavanaugh cited various cases in which the court had reversed decisions (Ferguson, et al), Sotomayor commented that in all the cases cited by Kavanaugh were an expansion of rights. Overturning Roe would be a restriction of rights.

      My opinion: She doesn't really understand what a "right" is.

      Well, she probably does understand it, but won't come out and say it.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • HoraceH Offline
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        Horace
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        There's no real difference between what a religious lefty feels, and what they know.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • George KG George K

          When Kavanaugh cited various cases in which the court had reversed decisions (Ferguson, et al), Sotomayor commented that in all the cases cited by Kavanaugh were an expansion of rights. Overturning Roe would be a restriction of rights.

          My opinion: She doesn't really understand what a "right" is.

          Well, she probably does understand it, but won't come out and say it.

          MikM Offline
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          @george-k said in If Roe is overturned:

          When Kavanaugh cited various cases in which the court had reversed decisions (Ferguson, et al), Sotomayor commented that in all the cases cited by Kavanaugh were an expansion of rights. Overturning Roe would be a restriction of rights.

          My opinion: She doesn't really understand what a "right" is.

          Well, she probably does understand it, but won't come out and say it.

          It comes down to at what point does a person have rights. I still don't understand how we can charge you with two murders if you kill a pregnant woman, but on that same day the woman would have been able to legally terminate that baby. It's not a life if you don't intend it be born?

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • MikM Offline
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            wrote on last edited by Mik
            #5

            Don't get me wrong. I don't really want to see abortion outright banned. I would like to see it restricted. I approve of the idea of education on the subject.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • George KG George K

              When Kavanaugh cited various cases in which the court had reversed decisions (Ferguson, et al), Sotomayor commented that in all the cases cited by Kavanaugh were an expansion of rights. Overturning Roe would be a restriction of rights.

              My opinion: She doesn't really understand what a "right" is.

              Well, she probably does understand it, but won't come out and say it.

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              Aqua Letifer
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              @george-k said in If Roe is overturned:

              My opinion: She doesn't really understand what a "right" is.

              I don't read it that way.

              The problem is that—sorry, Horace, it's true—both sides, when talking about abortion, have a very narrow set of scenarios in their mind. Liberals are pro-abortion because in their mind, they're pro-15-year-old-rape-victims and pro-life-of-the-mother. Conservatives are pro-life because they're pro-cute-pictures-of-babies.

              Both are only legit when taken in context with the other; on their own they're silly caricatures. And unfortunately that's what drives a lot of state legislation—lobbying for cartoon scenarios.

              I'm pretty anti-abortion, but I'm not willing to be so stupid as to believe there aren't very good reasons to have the option open. And pretending that "leaving it up to the states" is an example of choice or fairness is ridiculous.

              My question for any legislator is, show me you really understand and appreciate the other side of the argument. If you can't and just want to demonize, I want you as far away from these decisions as possible.

              Please love yourself.

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                People are a heckuva lot more nuanced than that.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  People are a heckuva lot more nuanced than that.

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                  @jolly said in If Roe is overturned:

                  People are a heckuva lot more nuanced than that.

                  About 4% of the people are on the fringes

                  The other 96% spend their time explaining the 4%

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
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                    The Almighty Court

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/liberal-justices-demand-an-almighty-court-opinion/ar-AARrvQ9?ocid=msedgntp

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      The main argument in defense of Roe v. Wade from the current liberal bloc on the bench seems to be that the decision has been "settled law" for so long that to alter it by even the slightest jot or tittle would be dangerous.

                      Keep in mind that pre-Roe was "settled law" for even longer.

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                      • MikM Mik

                        The Almighty Court

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/liberal-justices-demand-an-almighty-court-opinion/ar-AARrvQ9?ocid=msedgntp

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                        @mik said in If Roe is overturned:

                        The Almighty Court

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/opinion/liberal-justices-demand-an-almighty-court-opinion/ar-AARrvQ9?ocid=msedgntp

                        Dred Scott.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Medved makes good points regarding stare decisis and the fact that Roe was what started the controversy.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            @jolly said in If Roe is overturned:

                            People are a heckuva lot more nuanced than that.

                            Individuals are. People absolutely are not.

                            Please love yourself.

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