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  • HoraceH Offline
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    Horace
    wrote on last edited by Horace
    #7

    I think you would very easily get perturbed if, in response to what you consider to be a basically reasonable point, someone who has already demonstrated they don't much care for you, says "you're overthinking things", effectively trying to shut down the point without so much as attempting to understand it.

    Education is extremely important.

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    • HoraceH Horace

      I think you would very easily get perturbed if, in response to what you consider to be a basically reasonable point, someone who has already demonstrated they don't much care for you, says "you're overthinking things", effectively trying to shut down the point without so much as attempting to understand it.

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      @Horace: Okay, point taken.

      I will say I have never expressed a dislike for you. I'm sorry if you think I do.

      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      • Catseye3C Catseye3

        @Horace: Okay, point taken.

        I will say I have never expressed a dislike for you. I'm sorry if you think I do.

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        @Catseye3 said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

        @Horace: Okay, point taken.

        I will say I have never meant to express a dislike for you. I certainly don't feel that way. I'm sorry if you think I do.

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        • MikM Offline
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          wrote on last edited by
          #10

          Misunderstanding on the internet is rampant. Its not personal

          Not that I would know, given my erudition and crystal clarity.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • Catseye3C Catseye3

            @Jolly: "At this point in time, 30-40% of small business may be gone and it might take as long as 10 years to get back to pre-virus days." I do not see how such a prediction is possible, especially this early on.

            @Horace: I think you're overthinking this. IMO an observation like this is politicians' gold. It sounds noble as hell, and who's going to argue with it?

            @Mik: "Where we go wrong, as usual, is in polarizing the issue instead of finding the balance that works best." Amen, amen.

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            #11

            @Catseye3 said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

            @Jolly: "At this point in time, 30-40% of small business may be gone and it might take as long as 10 years to get back to pre-virus days." I do not see how such a prediction is possible, especially this early on.

            @Horace: I think you're overthinking this. IMO an observation like this is politicians' gold. It sounds noble as hell, and who's going to argue with it?

            @Mik: "Where we go wrong, as usual, is in polarizing the issue instead of finding the balance that works best." Amen, amen.

            There is some data floating around, not in the public doman. Not yet. It has to do with the technology sector, the communications sector and the banking sector.

            The effect of the shutdown on small business ranges from bad to cataclysmic.

            The 5-10 year figure is based mostly on that data.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #12

              Probably the more important question is, given what we have learned from this pandemic, what do we do for the next one? Do we shut down again? What do we have to do to be prepared enough that we don't have to? It's really a national defense issue.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                xenon
                wrote on last edited by xenon
                #13

                Keep you powder dry for the bad times. I'm looking at you national debt.

                Work out and clarify what the States' responsibilities vs. the Feds are ahead of time for a disaster.

                Work out and clarify what emergency aid legislation looks like ahead of a crisis. It should be triggered, not crafted, under a crisis.

                Beyond that - maybe a national stockpile of PPE, but there can be a lot of disasters that don't use the same mechanisms as this one.

                I mean - this is literally a once-a-hundred-years event (not saying that's when the next one will be). So anything we do has the chances to be useless in our lifetimes.

                EDIT: Don't elect entertainers, but that just may be my bias speaking.

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                • X xenon

                  Keep you powder dry for the bad times. I'm looking at you national debt.

                  Work out and clarify what the States' responsibilities vs. the Feds are ahead of time for a disaster.

                  Work out and clarify what emergency aid legislation looks like ahead of a crisis. It should be triggered, not crafted, under a crisis.

                  Beyond that - maybe a national stockpile of PPE, but there can be a lot of disasters that don't use the same mechanisms as this one.

                  I mean - this is literally a once-a-hundred-years event (not saying that's when the next one will be). So anything we do has the chances to be useless in our lifetimes.

                  EDIT: Don't elect entertainers, but that just may be my bias speaking.

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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #14

                  @xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                  Keep you powder dry for the bad times. I'm looking at you national debt.

                  Work out and clarify what the States' responsibilities vs. the Feds are ahead of time for a disaster.

                  Work out and clarify what emergency aid legislation looks like ahead of a crisis. It should be triggered, not crafted, under a crisis.

                  Beyond that - maybe a national stockpile of PPE, but there can be a lot of disasters that don't use the same mechanisms as this one.

                  I mean - this is literally a once-a-hundred-years event (not saying that's when the next one will be). So anything we do has the chances to be useless in our lifetimes.

                  EDIT: Don't elect entertainers, but that just may be my bias speaking.

                  Just had to go piss in your cornflakes, didn't you?

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    xenon
                    wrote on last edited by xenon
                    #15

                    🙂

                    It's true though. People want leadership during a time like this. They want to know someone is being thoughtful and deliberate. Well, I know I do.

                    You don't necessarily have to do anything. Trump had a few examples of this - he got the retail CEOs to speak. I thought that was great.

                    But then he goes and pisses it all away by spewing verbal diarrhea on an almost daily basis. There's no adults in the room, or rather, the baby is in charge of the adults.

                    So yeah - next pandemic, I don't want a clown to be the face of this.

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Mik
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                      #16

                      Jesus. Can you give that shit a break for one thread? This thread has not a thing to do with Trump.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • MikM Mik

                        Jesus. Can you give that shit a break for one thread? This thread has not a thing to do with Trump.

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                        xenon
                        wrote on last edited by xenon
                        #17

                        @Mik said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                        Jesus. Can you give that shit a break for one thread? This thread has not a thing to do with Trump.

                        Your question: given what we have learned from this pandemic, what do we do for the next one?

                        My answer: don't have clowns in charge.

                        Pretty simple. Struck a nerve maybe because you know he's a moron.

                        I also said 7 other things. Jolly and you seem to want to respond to that

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                          wrote on last edited by
                          #18

                          WE KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE TRUMP. WE GET IT.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #19

                            Mindworm.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • X xenon

                              🙂

                              It's true though. People want leadership during a time like this. They want to know someone is being thoughtful and deliberate. Well, I know I do.

                              You don't necessarily have to do anything. Trump had a few examples of this - he got the retail CEOs to speak. I thought that was great.

                              But then he goes and pisses it all away by spewing verbal diarrhea on an almost daily basis. There's no adults in the room, or rather, the baby is in charge of the adults.

                              So yeah - next pandemic, I don't want a clown to be the face of this.

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                              Aqua Letifer
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #20

                              @xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                              🙂

                              People want leadership during a time like this.

                              I dunno about that. I think it's more important that people feel like soldiers, not victims. Give 'em something important to do, and put them in charge of their own destinies. I think that's really what people want.

                              Please love yourself.

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                              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                @xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                                🙂

                                People want leadership during a time like this.

                                I dunno about that. I think it's more important that people feel like soldiers, not victims. Give 'em something important to do, and put them in charge of their own destinies. I think that's really what people want.

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                                xenon
                                wrote on last edited by xenon
                                #21

                                @Aqua-Letifer said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                                @xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                                🙂

                                People want leadership during a time like this.

                                I dunno about that. I think it's more important that people feel like soldiers, not victims. Give 'em something important to do, and put them in charge of their own destinies. I think that's really what people want.

                                That's fair. I think leaders are usually offered a "call to arms" opportunity. Last time something similar happened was perhaps 9/11. That was a literal call to arms - I guess.

                                But leaders do have the space for a call to action in these situations .

                                The other country I'm familiar with is Canada. I don't like Trudeau - most conservatives don't, but he got a pretty sizable sentiment boost out of this with a fairly vanilla response. (And I think that guy is in way over his head as well)

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                                • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                                  @xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                                  🙂

                                  People want leadership during a time like this.

                                  I dunno about that. I think it's more important that people feel like soldiers, not victims. Give 'em something important to do, and put them in charge of their own destinies. I think that's really what people want.

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                                  Doctor Phibes
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #22

                                  @Aqua-Letifer said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                                  @xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                                  🙂
                                  I think it's more important that people feel like soldiers, not victims. Give 'em something important to do, and put them in charge of their own destinies. I think that's really what people want.

                                  Also, haircuts and tattoos.

                                  I was only joking

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    WE KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE TRUMP. WE GET IT.

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                                    @Mik said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                                    WE KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE TRUMP. WE GET IT.

                                    Sadly, Mr. Trump is probably unaware of his posts.

                                    Knowing this, it is more likely he keeps posting this stuff because he doesn't like us.

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                                    • X xenon

                                      🙂

                                      It's true though. People want leadership during a time like this. They want to know someone is being thoughtful and deliberate. Well, I know I do.

                                      You don't necessarily have to do anything. Trump had a few examples of this - he got the retail CEOs to speak. I thought that was great.

                                      But then he goes and pisses it all away by spewing verbal diarrhea on an almost daily basis. There's no adults in the room, or rather, the baby is in charge of the adults.

                                      So yeah - next pandemic, I don't want a clown to be the face of this.

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                                      Larry
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #24

                                      @xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                                      🙂

                                      It's true though. People want leadership during a time like this. They want to know someone is being thoughtful and deliberate. Well, I know I do.

                                      You don't necessarily have to do anything. Trump had a few examples of this - he got the retail CEOs to speak. I thought that was great.

                                      But then he goes and pisses it all away by spewing verbal diarrhea on an almost daily basis. There's no adults in the room, or rather, the baby is in charge of the adults.

                                      So yeah - next pandemic, I don't want a clown to be the face of this.

                                      The problem as I see it, is that you wouldn't know real leadership if it rode up on a white horse and slapped you in the face.

                                      Trump IS real leadership. Probably the first we've had in the White House in your lifetime.

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                                      • LarryL Larry

                                        @xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                                        🙂

                                        It's true though. People want leadership during a time like this. They want to know someone is being thoughtful and deliberate. Well, I know I do.

                                        You don't necessarily have to do anything. Trump had a few examples of this - he got the retail CEOs to speak. I thought that was great.

                                        But then he goes and pisses it all away by spewing verbal diarrhea on an almost daily basis. There's no adults in the room, or rather, the baby is in charge of the adults.

                                        So yeah - next pandemic, I don't want a clown to be the face of this.

                                        The problem as I see it, is that you wouldn't know real leadership if it rode up on a white horse and slapped you in the face.

                                        Trump IS real leadership. Probably the first we've had in the White House in your lifetime.

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                                        xenon
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #25

                                        @Larry said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                                        @xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:

                                        🙂

                                        It's true though. People want leadership during a time like this. They want to know someone is being thoughtful and deliberate. Well, I know I do.

                                        You don't necessarily have to do anything. Trump had a few examples of this - he got the retail CEOs to speak. I thought that was great.

                                        But then he goes and pisses it all away by spewing verbal diarrhea on an almost daily basis. There's no adults in the room, or rather, the baby is in charge of the adults.

                                        So yeah - next pandemic, I don't want a clown to be the face of this.

                                        The problem as I see it, is that you wouldn't know real leadership if it rode up on a white horse and slapped you in the face.

                                        No I wouldn’t, that’d just be fuckin weird. I haven’t even seen a regular horse around here.

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                                          If you hear it coming, don't think it's a zebra.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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