Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP
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wrote on 19 May 2020, 17:47 last edited by Horace
@Horace: I think you're overthinking this. IMO an observation like this is politicians' gold. It sounds noble as hell, and who's going to argue with it?
You have this tendency to understand just enough of my posts to lead you to a conclusion which you think is yours, then claim that that conclusion contradicts what I said, when it is actually already included in what I said. This is at least the second time this has happened. And I've lost count of the number of times you've told me I've "overthought" something. Maybe you could not tell me that anymore? I've asked you not to in the past. We're here to think and share those thoughts.
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@Horace: I think you're overthinking this. IMO an observation like this is politicians' gold. It sounds noble as hell, and who's going to argue with it?
You have this tendency to understand just enough of my posts to lead you to a conclusion which you think is yours, then claim that that conclusion contradicts what I said, when it is actually already included in what I said. This is at least the second time this has happened. And I've lost count of the number of times you've told me I've "overthought" something. Maybe you could not tell me that anymore? I've asked you not to in the past. We're here to think and share those thoughts.
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wrote on 19 May 2020, 18:21 last edited by Horace
I think you would very easily get perturbed if, in response to what you consider to be a basically reasonable point, someone who has already demonstrated they don't much care for you, says "you're overthinking things", effectively trying to shut down the point without so much as attempting to understand it.
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I think you would very easily get perturbed if, in response to what you consider to be a basically reasonable point, someone who has already demonstrated they don't much care for you, says "you're overthinking things", effectively trying to shut down the point without so much as attempting to understand it.
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@Horace: Okay, point taken.
I will say I have never expressed a dislike for you. I'm sorry if you think I do.
wrote on 19 May 2020, 18:51 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
@Horace: Okay, point taken.
I will say I have never meant to express a dislike for you. I certainly don't feel that way. I'm sorry if you think I do.
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wrote on 19 May 2020, 19:11 last edited by
Misunderstanding on the internet is rampant. Its not personal
Not that I would know, given my erudition and crystal clarity.
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@Jolly: "At this point in time, 30-40% of small business may be gone and it might take as long as 10 years to get back to pre-virus days." I do not see how such a prediction is possible, especially this early on.
@Horace: I think you're overthinking this. IMO an observation like this is politicians' gold. It sounds noble as hell, and who's going to argue with it?
@Mik: "Where we go wrong, as usual, is in polarizing the issue instead of finding the balance that works best." Amen, amen.
wrote on 19 May 2020, 19:27 last edited by@Catseye3 said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
@Jolly: "At this point in time, 30-40% of small business may be gone and it might take as long as 10 years to get back to pre-virus days." I do not see how such a prediction is possible, especially this early on.
@Horace: I think you're overthinking this. IMO an observation like this is politicians' gold. It sounds noble as hell, and who's going to argue with it?
@Mik: "Where we go wrong, as usual, is in polarizing the issue instead of finding the balance that works best." Amen, amen.
There is some data floating around, not in the public doman. Not yet. It has to do with the technology sector, the communications sector and the banking sector.
The effect of the shutdown on small business ranges from bad to cataclysmic.
The 5-10 year figure is based mostly on that data.
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wrote on 19 May 2020, 19:38 last edited by
Probably the more important question is, given what we have learned from this pandemic, what do we do for the next one? Do we shut down again? What do we have to do to be prepared enough that we don't have to? It's really a national defense issue.
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wrote on 19 May 2020, 20:05 last edited by xenon
Keep you powder dry for the bad times. I'm looking at you national debt.
Work out and clarify what the States' responsibilities vs. the Feds are ahead of time for a disaster.
Work out and clarify what emergency aid legislation looks like ahead of a crisis. It should be triggered, not crafted, under a crisis.
Beyond that - maybe a national stockpile of PPE, but there can be a lot of disasters that don't use the same mechanisms as this one.
I mean - this is literally a once-a-hundred-years event (not saying that's when the next one will be). So anything we do has the chances to be useless in our lifetimes.
EDIT: Don't elect entertainers, but that just may be my bias speaking.
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Keep you powder dry for the bad times. I'm looking at you national debt.
Work out and clarify what the States' responsibilities vs. the Feds are ahead of time for a disaster.
Work out and clarify what emergency aid legislation looks like ahead of a crisis. It should be triggered, not crafted, under a crisis.
Beyond that - maybe a national stockpile of PPE, but there can be a lot of disasters that don't use the same mechanisms as this one.
I mean - this is literally a once-a-hundred-years event (not saying that's when the next one will be). So anything we do has the chances to be useless in our lifetimes.
EDIT: Don't elect entertainers, but that just may be my bias speaking.
wrote on 19 May 2020, 20:13 last edited by@xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
Keep you powder dry for the bad times. I'm looking at you national debt.
Work out and clarify what the States' responsibilities vs. the Feds are ahead of time for a disaster.
Work out and clarify what emergency aid legislation looks like ahead of a crisis. It should be triggered, not crafted, under a crisis.
Beyond that - maybe a national stockpile of PPE, but there can be a lot of disasters that don't use the same mechanisms as this one.
I mean - this is literally a once-a-hundred-years event (not saying that's when the next one will be). So anything we do has the chances to be useless in our lifetimes.
EDIT: Don't elect entertainers, but that just may be my bias speaking.
Just had to go piss in your cornflakes, didn't you?
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wrote on 19 May 2020, 20:25 last edited by xenon
It's true though. People want leadership during a time like this. They want to know someone is being thoughtful and deliberate. Well, I know I do.
You don't necessarily have to do anything. Trump had a few examples of this - he got the retail CEOs to speak. I thought that was great.
But then he goes and pisses it all away by spewing verbal diarrhea on an almost daily basis. There's no adults in the room, or rather, the baby is in charge of the adults.
So yeah - next pandemic, I don't want a clown to be the face of this.
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wrote on 19 May 2020, 20:28 last edited by
Jesus. Can you give that shit a break for one thread? This thread has not a thing to do with Trump.
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Jesus. Can you give that shit a break for one thread? This thread has not a thing to do with Trump.
wrote on 19 May 2020, 20:30 last edited by xenon@Mik said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
Jesus. Can you give that shit a break for one thread? This thread has not a thing to do with Trump.
Your question: given what we have learned from this pandemic, what do we do for the next one?
My answer: don't have clowns in charge.
Pretty simple. Struck a nerve maybe because you know he's a moron.
I also said 7 other things. Jolly and you seem to want to respond to that
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wrote on 19 May 2020, 20:34 last edited by
WE KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE TRUMP. WE GET IT.
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wrote on 19 May 2020, 20:54 last edited by
Mindworm.
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It's true though. People want leadership during a time like this. They want to know someone is being thoughtful and deliberate. Well, I know I do.
You don't necessarily have to do anything. Trump had a few examples of this - he got the retail CEOs to speak. I thought that was great.
But then he goes and pisses it all away by spewing verbal diarrhea on an almost daily basis. There's no adults in the room, or rather, the baby is in charge of the adults.
So yeah - next pandemic, I don't want a clown to be the face of this.
wrote on 19 May 2020, 20:56 last edited by@xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
People want leadership during a time like this.
I dunno about that. I think it's more important that people feel like soldiers, not victims. Give 'em something important to do, and put them in charge of their own destinies. I think that's really what people want.
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@xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
People want leadership during a time like this.
I dunno about that. I think it's more important that people feel like soldiers, not victims. Give 'em something important to do, and put them in charge of their own destinies. I think that's really what people want.
wrote on 19 May 2020, 21:05 last edited by xenon@Aqua-Letifer said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
@xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
People want leadership during a time like this.
I dunno about that. I think it's more important that people feel like soldiers, not victims. Give 'em something important to do, and put them in charge of their own destinies. I think that's really what people want.
That's fair. I think leaders are usually offered a "call to arms" opportunity. Last time something similar happened was perhaps 9/11. That was a literal call to arms - I guess.
But leaders do have the space for a call to action in these situations .
The other country I'm familiar with is Canada. I don't like Trudeau - most conservatives don't, but he got a pretty sizable sentiment boost out of this with a fairly vanilla response. (And I think that guy is in way over his head as well)
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@xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
People want leadership during a time like this.
I dunno about that. I think it's more important that people feel like soldiers, not victims. Give 'em something important to do, and put them in charge of their own destinies. I think that's really what people want.
wrote on 19 May 2020, 21:55 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
@xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
I think it's more important that people feel like soldiers, not victims. Give 'em something important to do, and put them in charge of their own destinies. I think that's really what people want.Also, haircuts and tattoos.
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wrote on 19 May 2020, 23:06 last edited by
@Mik said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
WE KNOW YOU DON'T LIKE TRUMP. WE GET IT.
Sadly, Mr. Trump is probably unaware of his posts.
Knowing this, it is more likely he keeps posting this stuff because he doesn't like us.
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It's true though. People want leadership during a time like this. They want to know someone is being thoughtful and deliberate. Well, I know I do.
You don't necessarily have to do anything. Trump had a few examples of this - he got the retail CEOs to speak. I thought that was great.
But then he goes and pisses it all away by spewing verbal diarrhea on an almost daily basis. There's no adults in the room, or rather, the baby is in charge of the adults.
So yeah - next pandemic, I don't want a clown to be the face of this.
wrote on 20 May 2020, 04:12 last edited by@xenon said in Steven Mnuchin: No one should give their lives to increase the GDP:
It's true though. People want leadership during a time like this. They want to know someone is being thoughtful and deliberate. Well, I know I do.
You don't necessarily have to do anything. Trump had a few examples of this - he got the retail CEOs to speak. I thought that was great.
But then he goes and pisses it all away by spewing verbal diarrhea on an almost daily basis. There's no adults in the room, or rather, the baby is in charge of the adults.
So yeah - next pandemic, I don't want a clown to be the face of this.
The problem as I see it, is that you wouldn't know real leadership if it rode up on a white horse and slapped you in the face.
Trump IS real leadership. Probably the first we've had in the White House in your lifetime.