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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    #9

    Lastly...A journalist has never been held legally liable for a stolen document that he received, as long as he wasn't the one that stole it.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #10

      Another raid:

      https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/06/us/politics/james-okeefe-project-veritas-ashley-biden.html

      Federal authorities on Saturday searched the home of James O’Keefe, the founder of the conservative group Project Veritas, according to witnesses and people briefed on the matter.

      Jimmy Maynes, who lives next to Mr. O’Keefe at an apartment complex in Mamaroneck, said a handful of F.B.I. agents arrived early Saturday morning.

      “They asked for James,” Mr. Mayne, an entertainment manager, said. “I thought they were banging on my door. I opened the door.”

      “They told me to close the door and I closed the door,” he added. “That’s exactly what happened. It was still dark.”

      Mr. Maynes…said the F.B.I. agents were at the apartment for several hours.

      For a diary.

      A diary.

      I'd love to see the warrant. This is banana republic stuff.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #11

        Joe learned from the Master...

        alt text

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • LuFins DadL Offline
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          LuFins Dad
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          #12

          @george-k said in Raided:

          Federal authorities on Saturday searched the home of James O’Keefe, the founder of the conservative group Project Veritas, according to witnesses and people briefed on the matter.
          Jimmy Maynes, who lives next to Mr. O’Keefe at an apartment complex in Mamaroneck, said a handful of F.B.I. agents arrived early Saturday morning.

          He already gave them the diary… This is outrageous.

          The Brad

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          • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

            @george-k said in Raided:

            Federal authorities on Saturday searched the home of James O’Keefe, the founder of the conservative group Project Veritas, according to witnesses and people briefed on the matter.
            Jimmy Maynes, who lives next to Mr. O’Keefe at an apartment complex in Mamaroneck, said a handful of F.B.I. agents arrived early Saturday morning.

            He already gave them the diary… This is outrageous.

            Aqua LetiferA Offline
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            Aqua Letifer
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            #13

            @lufins-dad said in Raided:

            @george-k said in Raided:

            Federal authorities on Saturday searched the home of James O’Keefe, the founder of the conservative group Project Veritas, according to witnesses and people briefed on the matter.
            Jimmy Maynes, who lives next to Mr. O’Keefe at an apartment complex in Mamaroneck, said a handful of F.B.I. agents arrived early Saturday morning.

            He already gave them the diary… This is outrageous.

            Okay, so let's game this out. Why Project Veritas, and not any other outlet or organization? (Honest question.)

            Please love yourself.

            George KG 1 Reply Last reply
            • brendaB Offline
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              brenda
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              #14

              Looks like this answers the question of whether this was indeed her diary.

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              • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

                @lufins-dad said in Raided:

                @george-k said in Raided:

                Federal authorities on Saturday searched the home of James O’Keefe, the founder of the conservative group Project Veritas, according to witnesses and people briefed on the matter.
                Jimmy Maynes, who lives next to Mr. O’Keefe at an apartment complex in Mamaroneck, said a handful of F.B.I. agents arrived early Saturday morning.

                He already gave them the diary… This is outrageous.

                Okay, so let's game this out. Why Project Veritas, and not any other outlet or organization? (Honest question.)

                George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #15

                @aqua-letifer said in Raided:

                Why Project Veritas, and not any other outlet or organization? (Honest question.)

                The RWEC answers your question:

                In light of Merrick Garland’s “domestic terrorism” claim with school-board strife, the latter seems most apposite. It sure seems awwwwfuuuuullllyyy convenient that this investigation just so happened to target an organization that has been a gadfly to this president’s party and progressive allies. And that’s even more troubling since Project Veritas never used the material in the first place....

                I’m old enough to recall when the media hyperventilated about “the politicization of the Department of Justice” during the leadership of Attorneys General Jeff Sessions and William Barr. Now that the DoJ is raiding media outlets over dumb scoops that they never actually ran, the silence of the media solons is deafening … and indicting as to their own politicization.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #16

                  So, here's a question:

                  Back in whenever, Rachel Maddow proudly displayed Trump's tax returns on her show, and boasted that they show he paid no taxes.

                  How did she get them?

                  Was her home raided in search of clearly illegally obtained information? Is this as serious as a missing diary? Where was the FBI?

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG George K

                    So, here's a question:

                    Back in whenever, Rachel Maddow proudly displayed Trump's tax returns on her show, and boasted that they show he paid no taxes.

                    How did she get them?

                    Was her home raided in search of clearly illegally obtained information? Is this as serious as a missing diary? Where was the FBI?

                    ImprovisoI Offline
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                    Improviso
                    wrote on last edited by Improviso
                    #17

                    @george-k said in Raided:

                    So, here's a question:
                    Back in whenever, Rachel Maddow proudly displayed Trump's tax returns on her show, and boasted that they show he paid no taxes.
                    How did she get them?
                    Was her home raided in search of clearly illegally obtained information? Is this as serious as a missing diary? Where was the FBI?

                    While I'm no fan of MadDog, as I understand it, it's not illegal for her to possess the tax returns, as long as SHE was not the one who stole them. It IS illegal for the person that actually obtained them.

                    And she is not going to out her source.

                    We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                    Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                    • ImprovisoI Improviso

                      @george-k said in Raided:

                      So, here's a question:
                      Back in whenever, Rachel Maddow proudly displayed Trump's tax returns on her show, and boasted that they show he paid no taxes.
                      How did she get them?
                      Was her home raided in search of clearly illegally obtained information? Is this as serious as a missing diary? Where was the FBI?

                      While I'm no fan of MadDog, as I understand it, it's not illegal for her to possess the tax returns, as long as SHE was not the one who stole them. It IS illegal for the person that actually obtained them.

                      And she is not going to out her source.

                      George KG Offline
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                      George K
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                      #18

                      @improviso said in Raided:

                      While I'm no fan of MadDog, as I understand it, it's not illegal for her to possess the tax returns, as long as SHE was not the one who stole them. It IS illegal for the person that actually obtained them.

                      That's correct. But, in the context of James O'Keefe, why wasn't her place raided?

                      And she is not going to out her source.

                      Judith Miller asks, "Why isn't she in prison?"

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @improviso said in Raided:

                        While I'm no fan of MadDog, as I understand it, it's not illegal for her to possess the tax returns, as long as SHE was not the one who stole them. It IS illegal for the person that actually obtained them.

                        That's correct. But, in the context of James O'Keefe, why wasn't her place raided?

                        And she is not going to out her source.

                        Judith Miller asks, "Why isn't she in prison?"

                        ImprovisoI Offline
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                        Improviso
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #19

                        @george-k said in Raided:

                        That's correct. But, in the context of James O'Keefe, why wasn't her place raided?

                        Well.... we all know the answer to that one.

                        Double standard.

                        We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                        Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

                        George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                        • ImprovisoI Improviso

                          @george-k said in Raided:

                          That's correct. But, in the context of James O'Keefe, why wasn't her place raided?

                          Well.... we all know the answer to that one.

                          Double standard.

                          George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #20

                          @improviso said in Raided:

                          Well.... we all know the answer to that one.

                          Double standard.

                          It's almost as though the FBI had morphed into the Praetorian Guard.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #21

                            That happened back in 2015.

                            Old news.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • ImprovisoI Offline
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                              Improviso
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                              #22

                              Yea... what difference does it make now, huh?

                              We have the freedom to choose our actions, but we do not get to choose our consequences.
                              Yes, there are two paths you can go by, but in the long run, there's still time to change the road you're on.

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
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                                Link to video

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
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                                  Gee, I wonder how the NYT got these "documents"

                                  https://web.archive.org/web/20211111230151/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/11/us/politics/project-veritas-journalism-political-spying.html

                                  Yesterday:

                                  Hours after F.B.I. agents searched the homes of two Project Veritas operatives last week, James O’Keefe, the leader of the conservative group, took to YouTube to defend its work as “the stuff of responsible, ethical journalism.”

                                  “We never break the law,” he said, railing against the F.B.I.’s investigation into members of his group for possible involvement in the reported theft of a diary kept by President Biden’s daughter, Ashley. “In fact, one of our ethical rules is to act as if there are 12 jurors on our shoulders all the time.”

                                  Project Veritas has long occupied a gray area between investigative journalism and political spying, and internal documents obtained by The New York Times reveal the extent to which the group has worked with its lawyers to gauge how far its deceptive reporting practices can go before running afoul of federal laws.

                                  The documents, a series of memos written by the group’s lawyer, detail ways for Project Veritas sting operations — which typically diverge from standard journalistic practice by employing people who mask their real identities or create fake ones to infiltrate target organizations — to avoid breaking federal statutes such as the law against lying to government officials.
                                  The documents show, for example, Project Veritas operatives’ concern that an operation launched in 2018 to secretly record employees at the F.B.I., Justice Department and other agencies in the hope of exposing bias against President Donald J. Trump might violate the Espionage Act — the law passed at the height of World War I that has typically been used to prosecute spies.

                                  “Because intent is relevant — and broadly defined — ensuring PV journalists’ intent is narrow and lawful would be paramount in any operation,” the group’s media lawyer, Benjamin Barr, wrote in response to questions from the group about using the dating app Tinder to have its operatives meet government employees, potentially including some with national security clearances.

                                  I'm not drawing any conclusions here, but...

                                  1. Somehow the NYT knew about the diary before Veritas' offices were raided.

                                  2. Two (3?) days after the raid, O'Keeefs's HOME is raided, and his cellphones are confiscated.

                                  3. 5 days later, the NYT publishes a story based on "documents" they received.

                                  What a ko-inky-dink.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by George K
                                    #25

                                    Too late:

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      Gee, I wonder how the NYT got these "documents"

                                      https://web.archive.org/web/20211111230151/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/11/us/politics/project-veritas-journalism-political-spying.html

                                      Yesterday:

                                      Hours after F.B.I. agents searched the homes of two Project Veritas operatives last week, James O’Keefe, the leader of the conservative group, took to YouTube to defend its work as “the stuff of responsible, ethical journalism.”

                                      “We never break the law,” he said, railing against the F.B.I.’s investigation into members of his group for possible involvement in the reported theft of a diary kept by President Biden’s daughter, Ashley. “In fact, one of our ethical rules is to act as if there are 12 jurors on our shoulders all the time.”

                                      Project Veritas has long occupied a gray area between investigative journalism and political spying, and internal documents obtained by The New York Times reveal the extent to which the group has worked with its lawyers to gauge how far its deceptive reporting practices can go before running afoul of federal laws.

                                      The documents, a series of memos written by the group’s lawyer, detail ways for Project Veritas sting operations — which typically diverge from standard journalistic practice by employing people who mask their real identities or create fake ones to infiltrate target organizations — to avoid breaking federal statutes such as the law against lying to government officials.
                                      The documents show, for example, Project Veritas operatives’ concern that an operation launched in 2018 to secretly record employees at the F.B.I., Justice Department and other agencies in the hope of exposing bias against President Donald J. Trump might violate the Espionage Act — the law passed at the height of World War I that has typically been used to prosecute spies.

                                      “Because intent is relevant — and broadly defined — ensuring PV journalists’ intent is narrow and lawful would be paramount in any operation,” the group’s media lawyer, Benjamin Barr, wrote in response to questions from the group about using the dating app Tinder to have its operatives meet government employees, potentially including some with national security clearances.

                                      I'm not drawing any conclusions here, but...

                                      1. Somehow the NYT knew about the diary before Veritas' offices were raided.

                                      2. Two (3?) days after the raid, O'Keeefs's HOME is raided, and his cellphones are confiscated.

                                      3. 5 days later, the NYT publishes a story based on "documents" they received.

                                      What a ko-inky-dink.

                                      JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #26

                                      @george-k said in Raided:

                                      Gee, I wonder how the NYT got these "documents"

                                      https://web.archive.org/web/20211111230151/https://www.nytimes.com/2021/11/11/us/politics/project-veritas-journalism-political-spying.html

                                      Yesterday:

                                      Hours after F.B.I. agents searched the homes of two Project Veritas operatives last week, James O’Keefe, the leader of the conservative group, took to YouTube to defend its work as “the stuff of responsible, ethical journalism.”

                                      “We never break the law,” he said, railing against the F.B.I.’s investigation into members of his group for possible involvement in the reported theft of a diary kept by President Biden’s daughter, Ashley. “In fact, one of our ethical rules is to act as if there are 12 jurors on our shoulders all the time.”

                                      Project Veritas has long occupied a gray area between investigative journalism and political spying, and internal documents obtained by The New York Times reveal the extent to which the group has worked with its lawyers to gauge how far its deceptive reporting practices can go before running afoul of federal laws.

                                      The documents, a series of memos written by the group’s lawyer, detail ways for Project Veritas sting operations — which typically diverge from standard journalistic practice by employing people who mask their real identities or create fake ones to infiltrate target organizations — to avoid breaking federal statutes such as the law against lying to government officials.
                                      The documents show, for example, Project Veritas operatives’ concern that an operation launched in 2018 to secretly record employees at the F.B.I., Justice Department and other agencies in the hope of exposing bias against President Donald J. Trump might violate the Espionage Act — the law passed at the height of World War I that has typically been used to prosecute spies.

                                      “Because intent is relevant — and broadly defined — ensuring PV journalists’ intent is narrow and lawful would be paramount in any operation,” the group’s media lawyer, Benjamin Barr, wrote in response to questions from the group about using the dating app Tinder to have its operatives meet government employees, potentially including some with national security clearances.

                                      I'm not drawing any conclusions here, but...

                                      1. Somehow the NYT knew about the diary before Veritas' offices were raided.

                                      2. Two (3?) days after the raid, O'Keeefs's HOME is raided, and his cellphones are confiscated.

                                      3. 5 days later, the NYT publishes a story based on "documents" they received.

                                      What a ko-inky-dink.

                                      The FBI needs to be shaken, like a terrier with a rat. It is supposed to be apolitical in enforcing the law and the badge used to stand for integrity. If The Resident wants to build back better, I've got a suggestion where to start.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • LarryL Offline
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                                        Sorry, but we now are a banana republic.

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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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