Letters From Jail
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@doctor-phibes said in Letters From Jail:
@mik said in Letters From Jail:
Not right if true.
Does it sound very likely to you?
That's the question, isn't it? What if it is true? What if half of it is true?
@jolly said in Letters From Jail:
@doctor-phibes said in Letters From Jail:
@mik said in Letters From Jail:
Not right if true.
Does it sound very likely to you?
That's the question, isn't it? What if it is true? What if half of it is true?
What if none of it is true?
It doesn't sound very likely. Imported African guards who are indoctrinated to hate America, somebody being savagely beaten for a bible class, somebody losing 15 pounds and being unrecognizable to his family?
To be honest, it sounds a little delusional.
I was only joking
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@jolly said in Letters From Jail:
Medical conditions requiring breathing machines
Listen, I’m willing to listen to some of this and do agree that these guys being “disappeared” like they have is sickening, but this sounds suspiciously like exaggerations… Would this medical condition happen to be Sleep Apnea?
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Probably.
The bottom line, is why are these guys still in jail? People charged with much more serious crime are out on bail in hours.
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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Probably.
The bottom line, is why are these guys still in jail? People charged with much more serious crime are out on bail in hours.
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The D.C. Corrections Department for a second time turned away two House lawmakers seeking to check the prison conditions of Jan. 6 defendants locked up in the troubled facility.
A jailer told Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Louie Gohmert, “We’re finished,” as they pressed for entry and were denied.
“What are you hiding?” asked Greene, who has helped to lead the effort to free the defendants. “As members of Congress, we have oversight over the district,” she said in a video she posted to Twitter.
She wrote on the platform, “Today @replouiegohmert and myself were denied entry to visit Louie’s constituent & conduct oversight at the DC jail. I’m extremely concerned about the treatment of J6 defendants & now ALL inmates being held there.”
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Good question.
I don't care what you think about her politics, why would they not let her see the jail?
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Good question.
I don't care what you think about her politics, why would they not let her see the jail?
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The D.C. Corrections Department for a second time turned away two House lawmakers seeking to check the prison conditions of Jan. 6 defendants locked up in the troubled facility.
A jailer told Reps. Marjorie Taylor Greene and Louie Gohmert, “We’re finished,” as they pressed for entry and were denied.
“What are you hiding?” asked Greene, who has helped to lead the effort to free the defendants. “As members of Congress, we have oversight over the district,” she said in a video she posted to Twitter.
She wrote on the platform, “Today @replouiegohmert and myself were denied entry to visit Louie’s constituent & conduct oversight at the DC jail. I’m extremely concerned about the treatment of J6 defendants & now ALL inmates being held there.”
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Probably.
The bottom line, is why are these guys still in jail? People charged with much more serious crime are out on bail in hours.
@jolly said in Letters From Jail:
Probably.
The bottom line, is why are these guys still in jail? People charged with much more serious crime are out on bail in hours.
That’s a completely fair question, and one that should be answered. Unfortunately, I believe the article you posted risks undermining the case for that.
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Has anyone filed habeas corpus? It seems like the right first step, which is why we have that doctrine....
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Has anyone filed habeas corpus? It seems like the right first step, which is why we have that doctrine....
@ivorythumper said in Letters From Jail:
Has anyone filed habeas corpus? It seems like the right first step, which is why we have that doctrine....
The U.S. Constitution specifically includes the habeas procedure in the Suspension Clause (Clause 2), located in Article One, Section 9. This states that "The privilege of the writ of habeas corpus shall not be suspended, unless when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it".
Public safety! That's the ticket! Don't want no unlawful parading! Waving flags might put your eye out!
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https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/04/j6-detainee-subjected-to-post-lawyer-meeting-strip-search/
Immediately following an in-person meeting with his defense attorney, Robert Morss, a January 6 detainee held in part of the D.C. jail system used exclusively to incarcerate Capitol defendants, was subjected to a strip search where he was verbally and physically abused by prison guards.
Morss, a former Army ranger with three tours of duty in Afghanistan, was arrested in June and later indicted on numerous counts including assaulting a police officer and disorderly conduct. (Morss is named in a multi-defendant case with others who battled police near the lower west terrace tunnel, where law enforcement officers from D.C. Metro and Capitol police were attacking protesters.) In July, Judge Trevor McFadden, a Trump appointee to the D.C. District Court, denied Morss’ release pending trial.
Morss met with his attorney, John C. Kiyonaga, in advance of a status hearing scheduled for Friday afternoon. After Morss returned to the so-called “pod,” prison guards informed him he would need to be strip searched.
By telephone from the jail Thursday afternoon, Morss told me this was the fifth time he has been subjected to a strip search, but this time, guards ordered him to remove his underwear. “There were five guards there including a few I didn’t know,” Morss told me. “I asked for literature that authorized the strip search and they refused to answer.”
A female guard with a cell phone repeatedly asked Morss if he was resisting the strip search. Morss said officers with the ERT —he said it stands for Emergency Response Team—then handcuffed him and put him in a “black room” with a chair. One prison guard, Corporal Armstrong, was present as well. “They shoved me around and maced me,” Morss said. “When I opened my mouth, they pointed the can of mace toward my mouth.”
Morss “humiliating” search included graphic details of a sexual nature. (American Greatness will not disclose these details to protect Morss’ privacy.) “This was direct retaliation” for meeting with his lawyer, Morss told me.
Lawyers plan to file a motion seeking Morss’ release from the D.C. jail. On Wednesday, Judge Royce Lamberth issued a ruling to immediately transport Christopher Worrell, a cancer sufferer who’s been in the D.C. jail since April, to a jail in Alexandria, Virginia over fear he would be punished upon return to the jail after his hearing. Lamberth met with officials from the U.S. Marshall’s Service, the official custodian of January 6 defendants, last week for a briefing about conditions in the jail. One official told Lamberth that “staff members were observed antagonizing detainees, telling them not to cooperate with the (court-ordered) inspection.” Lamberth told federal prosecutors on Wednesday that some of the conduct by prison employees resulted in “civil rights and probably criminal violations.”
Nearly five months after his arrest, Morss still has no court date. McFadden has complained in court that Biden’s Justice Department is delaying discovery but has taken no actions to ensure the Constitutional and human rights of court-ordered detainees are being protected.
Whatever happened to "presumed innocent?"
Judge Orders Release Of January 6 Defendant After Inspection Shows ‘Mistreatment Of Detainees’
Following an impromptu inspection of the D.C. jail, a federal judge has ordered the release of January 6 defendant, Christopher Worrell, over the mistreatment of detainees.
The surprise inspection of the jail by U.S. Marshals took place last month, but the report from the inspection was not made public until Wednesday.
Due to the findings, U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth said he has “‘zero confidence that the D.C. jail’ will provide the treatment correctly and not retaliate against Worrell,” who has cancer, CNN reported Wednesday.
Lamberth called the jail conditions “deplorable” and “beyond belief,” ordering Worrell transferred immediately to another jail and then released home to start cancer treatment, the report outlined.
Some 400 prisoners are being moved out of the jail after the “deplorable” conditions were uncovered. According to CNN, the Marshals’ report found that water was being shutoff in many cells “for punitive reasons” for days at a time, toilets were clogged, and an inmate who had been pepper-sprayed was “unable to wash the spray off for days, leading to an infection.”
The D.C. Department of Corrections staff were “antagonizing detainees” and “directing detainees to not cooperate with” U.S. Marshals during the inspection, the agency said, and “[o]ne DOC staffer was observed telling a detainee to ‘stop snitching.’”
Last month, Lamberth called for the Department of Justice to open a civil rights investigation into the matter and held two officials in contempt of court for delaying medical treatment to Worrell, The Daily Beast reported.
“It’s more than just inept and bureaucratic shuffling of papers,” Lamberth blasted. “Does no one care? Does no one follow up?”
“I find that the civil rights of the defendant have been abused,” the judge asserted.
“During the hearing, Lamberth said that jail officials failed to turn over critical information that was needed to approve surgery for the accused rioter’s broken wrist—even though the medical procedure was recommended four months ago,” the report noted.
“I don’t know if it’s because he’s a January 6th defendant or not, but I find this matter should be referred to the attorney general of the United States for a civil rights investigation into whether the D.C. Department of Corrections is violating the civil rights of January 6th defendants … in this and maybe other cases,” Lamberth said.
Sue the FUCK out of them.
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https://amgreatness.com/2021/11/04/j6-detainee-subjected-to-post-lawyer-meeting-strip-search/
Immediately following an in-person meeting with his defense attorney, Robert Morss, a January 6 detainee held in part of the D.C. jail system used exclusively to incarcerate Capitol defendants, was subjected to a strip search where he was verbally and physically abused by prison guards.
Morss, a former Army ranger with three tours of duty in Afghanistan, was arrested in June and later indicted on numerous counts including assaulting a police officer and disorderly conduct. (Morss is named in a multi-defendant case with others who battled police near the lower west terrace tunnel, where law enforcement officers from D.C. Metro and Capitol police were attacking protesters.) In July, Judge Trevor McFadden, a Trump appointee to the D.C. District Court, denied Morss’ release pending trial.
Morss met with his attorney, John C. Kiyonaga, in advance of a status hearing scheduled for Friday afternoon. After Morss returned to the so-called “pod,” prison guards informed him he would need to be strip searched.
By telephone from the jail Thursday afternoon, Morss told me this was the fifth time he has been subjected to a strip search, but this time, guards ordered him to remove his underwear. “There were five guards there including a few I didn’t know,” Morss told me. “I asked for literature that authorized the strip search and they refused to answer.”
A female guard with a cell phone repeatedly asked Morss if he was resisting the strip search. Morss said officers with the ERT —he said it stands for Emergency Response Team—then handcuffed him and put him in a “black room” with a chair. One prison guard, Corporal Armstrong, was present as well. “They shoved me around and maced me,” Morss said. “When I opened my mouth, they pointed the can of mace toward my mouth.”
Morss “humiliating” search included graphic details of a sexual nature. (American Greatness will not disclose these details to protect Morss’ privacy.) “This was direct retaliation” for meeting with his lawyer, Morss told me.
Lawyers plan to file a motion seeking Morss’ release from the D.C. jail. On Wednesday, Judge Royce Lamberth issued a ruling to immediately transport Christopher Worrell, a cancer sufferer who’s been in the D.C. jail since April, to a jail in Alexandria, Virginia over fear he would be punished upon return to the jail after his hearing. Lamberth met with officials from the U.S. Marshall’s Service, the official custodian of January 6 defendants, last week for a briefing about conditions in the jail. One official told Lamberth that “staff members were observed antagonizing detainees, telling them not to cooperate with the (court-ordered) inspection.” Lamberth told federal prosecutors on Wednesday that some of the conduct by prison employees resulted in “civil rights and probably criminal violations.”
Nearly five months after his arrest, Morss still has no court date. McFadden has complained in court that Biden’s Justice Department is delaying discovery but has taken no actions to ensure the Constitutional and human rights of court-ordered detainees are being protected.
Whatever happened to "presumed innocent?"
Judge Orders Release Of January 6 Defendant After Inspection Shows ‘Mistreatment Of Detainees’
Following an impromptu inspection of the D.C. jail, a federal judge has ordered the release of January 6 defendant, Christopher Worrell, over the mistreatment of detainees.
The surprise inspection of the jail by U.S. Marshals took place last month, but the report from the inspection was not made public until Wednesday.
Due to the findings, U.S. District Judge Royce Lamberth said he has “‘zero confidence that the D.C. jail’ will provide the treatment correctly and not retaliate against Worrell,” who has cancer, CNN reported Wednesday.
Lamberth called the jail conditions “deplorable” and “beyond belief,” ordering Worrell transferred immediately to another jail and then released home to start cancer treatment, the report outlined.
Some 400 prisoners are being moved out of the jail after the “deplorable” conditions were uncovered. According to CNN, the Marshals’ report found that water was being shutoff in many cells “for punitive reasons” for days at a time, toilets were clogged, and an inmate who had been pepper-sprayed was “unable to wash the spray off for days, leading to an infection.”
The D.C. Department of Corrections staff were “antagonizing detainees” and “directing detainees to not cooperate with” U.S. Marshals during the inspection, the agency said, and “[o]ne DOC staffer was observed telling a detainee to ‘stop snitching.’”
Last month, Lamberth called for the Department of Justice to open a civil rights investigation into the matter and held two officials in contempt of court for delaying medical treatment to Worrell, The Daily Beast reported.
“It’s more than just inept and bureaucratic shuffling of papers,” Lamberth blasted. “Does no one care? Does no one follow up?”
“I find that the civil rights of the defendant have been abused,” the judge asserted.
“During the hearing, Lamberth said that jail officials failed to turn over critical information that was needed to approve surgery for the accused rioter’s broken wrist—even though the medical procedure was recommended four months ago,” the report noted.
“I don’t know if it’s because he’s a January 6th defendant or not, but I find this matter should be referred to the attorney general of the United States for a civil rights investigation into whether the D.C. Department of Corrections is violating the civil rights of January 6th defendants … in this and maybe other cases,” Lamberth said.
Sue the FUCK out of them.
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@jolly said in Letters From Jail:
@doctor-phibes said in Letters From Jail:
@mik said in Letters From Jail:
Not right if true.
Does it sound very likely to you?
That's the question, isn't it? What if it is true? What if half of it is true?
What if none of it is true?
It doesn't sound very likely. Imported African guards who are indoctrinated to hate America, somebody being savagely beaten for a bible class, somebody losing 15 pounds and being unrecognizable to his family?
To be honest, it sounds a little delusional.
@doctor-phibes said in Letters From Jail:
@jolly said in Letters From Jail:
@doctor-phibes said in Letters From Jail:
@mik said in Letters From Jail:
Not right if true.
Does it sound very likely to you?
That's the question, isn't it? What if it is true? What if half of it is true?
What if none of it is true?
It doesn't sound very likely. Imported African guards who are indoctrinated to hate America, somebody being savagely beaten for a bible class, somebody losing 15 pounds and being unrecognizable to his family?
To be honest, it sounds a little delusional.
Still think none of it is true?
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@doctor-phibes said in Letters From Jail:
@jolly said in Letters From Jail:
@doctor-phibes said in Letters From Jail:
@mik said in Letters From Jail:
Not right if true.
Does it sound very likely to you?
That's the question, isn't it? What if it is true? What if half of it is true?
What if none of it is true?
It doesn't sound very likely. Imported African guards who are indoctrinated to hate America, somebody being savagely beaten for a bible class, somebody losing 15 pounds and being unrecognizable to his family?
To be honest, it sounds a little delusional.
Still think none of it is true?
@jolly said in Letters From Jail:
@doctor-phibes said in Letters From Jail:
@jolly said in Letters From Jail:
@doctor-phibes said in Letters From Jail:
@mik said in Letters From Jail:
Not right if true.
Does it sound very likely to you?
That's the question, isn't it? What if it is true? What if half of it is true?
What if none of it is true?
It doesn't sound very likely. Imported African guards who are indoctrinated to hate America, somebody being savagely beaten for a bible class, somebody losing 15 pounds and being unrecognizable to his family?
To be honest, it sounds a little delusional.
Still think none of it is true?
Actually, I've gone on record a number of times as saying the US Justice system is totally fucked up. I rather doubt there's anything special about these folks or this prison.
I don't think these people should still be in prison. I also think that the fact that the US locks up more people than almost any other country is completely wrong. It clearly isn't working. You need to try something different.
Still, I think the original article sounded like bollocks.
