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The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread

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  • AxtremusA Offline
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    Axtremus
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    #202

    From: https://www.elsalvador.com/opinion/caricaturas/alecus/caricatura-de-alecus/897117/2021/

    alt text
    (credit: Alecus)

    I saw that cartoon while looking at https://blog.dshr.org/2022/02/ee380-talk.html

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    • AxtremusA Offline
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      Axtremus
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      #203

      The Boston FED and MIT released their findings on initial research into a central bank digital currency (CBDC):

      https://www.bostonfed.org/news-and-events/press-releases/2022/frbb-and-mit-open-cbdc-phase-one.aspx

      The Federal Reserve Bank of Boston and the Digital Currency Initiative at the Massachusetts Institute of Technology today released the findings of their initial technological research into a central bank digital currency, or CBDC. The published research describes a theoretical high-performance and resilient transaction processor for a CBDC that was developed using open-source research software, OpenCBDC. This collaborative effort, known as Project Hamilton, focuses on technological experimentation and does not aim to create a usable CBDC for the United States. The research is separate from the Federal Reserve's Board's evaluation of the pros and cons of a CBDC.
      …

      Project Hamilton (open-sourced): https://www.bostonfed.org/publications/one-time-pubs/project-hamilton-phase-1-executive-summary.aspx

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      • X Offline
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        xenon
        wrote on last edited by
        #204

        This whole digital currency thing is confusing.

        The central bank effort would be all about modernizing the payment system and creating some extra efficiency in the system. It would probably destroy some value for banks - but may create net benefit for Americans.

        Even though it's called digital currency - it's very different from the likes of Bitcoin. That's about sidestepping the state altogether on the topic of currency.

        These are very different things.

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        • AxtremusA Offline
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          Axtremus
          wrote on last edited by
          #205

          https://www.cnbc.com/2022/03/09/heres-whats-in-bidens-executive-order-on-crypto.html

          Biden signed executive order on cryptocurrency.

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          • CopperC Offline
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            Copper
            wrote on last edited by
            #206

            The Biden administration also wants to explore a digital version of the dollar.

            What could go wrong? I'm sure Mr. Biden will do something wonderful.

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            • HoraceH Offline
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              Horace
              wrote on last edited by
              #207

              I wonder how many levels deep you have to go under Biden before you reach the first person who has a clue about crypto.

              Education is extremely important.

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              • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on last edited by
                #208

                QUOTE
                U.S. President Joe Biden signed an executive order on Wednesday calling on the government to examine the risks and benefits of cryptocurrencies.
                UNQUOTE

                Why would this be an executive order? Seems kind of goofy. Would an executive order be needed to set up a team to look at this?

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                • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                  taiwan_girl
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #209

                  US Department of Labor basically says "no" on having crypto currency in a 401K plan.

                  (https://www.natlawreview.com/article/cryptocurrency-401k-plans-might-be-more-crypto-nite-says-dol-its-latest-release)

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #210

                    Screen Shot 2022-03-28 at 5.25.48 PM.png

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • AxtremusA Offline
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                      Axtremus
                      wrote on last edited by Axtremus
                      #211

                      https://www.cnn.com/2022/04/03/tech/axie-infinity-hack-party-nft-la/index.html

                      Crypto gaming platform, where the crypto assets that are supposedly backing the in-game currency got hacked, and the players now cannot convert their in-game currency back into trade-able crypto assets.

                      Also some unusual things about “digital serfdom” and “crypto Ponzi,” where a properly registered gamers can hire others (from low income communities) to play on their behalf, or to “rent out” their gaming credentials to others and split the earnings from playing the game.

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                        #212

                        @George-K If only I had a crystal ball!!!!!

                        @Axtremus I have heard of that. There are supposedely "game shops" in mainland china where groups of people work in shifts on someone elses game to gain them game coins or more game power. Crazy!!

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          I wonder how many levels deep you have to go under Biden before you reach the first person who has a clue about crypto.

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                          Axtremus
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                          #213

                          @Horace said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                          I wonder how many levels deep you have to go under Biden before you reach the first person who has a clue about crypto.

                          I am guessing four levels on the policy making side, three levels on the law enforcement side.

                          Policy making: POTUS, Treasury Secretary, head of some Crypto task force, some scientists/engineers on the task force who actually know crypto.

                          Law enforcement: POTUS, head of the Secret Service, head of some crypto crime investigative unit (who I expect is some one who has solid STEM background and understands enough about crypto currency to investigate crypto crimes)

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                          • HoraceH Horace

                            I wonder how many levels deep you have to go under Biden before you reach the first person who has a clue about crypto.

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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                            #214

                            @Horace said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                            I wonder how many levels deep you have to go under Biden before you reach the first person who has a clue about crypto.

                            Gensler. I guess that’s technically one layer down but pretty far removed operationally from the WH.

                            And not at all involved in Biden’s exec order I’m sure. But it is the answer to the question

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              @Horace said in The Bitcoin/Crypto Thread:

                              I wonder how many levels deep you have to go under Biden before you reach the first person who has a clue about crypto.

                              Gensler. I guess that’s technically one layer down but pretty far removed operationally from the WH.

                              And not at all involved in Biden’s exec order I’m sure. But it is the answer to the question

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                              Axtremus
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                              #215

                              @jon-nyc, re: “Gensler”

                              Thanks!

                              Per Wikipedia on Gary Gensler:

                              Gensler is … chair of the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission … Co-Director of MIT’s Fintech@CSAIL and Senior Advisor to the MIT Media Lab Digital Currency Initiative.

                              That fits the bill and directly answers @Horace’s question.
                              A different, future SEC chair may not be similarly credentialed with regards to crypto currency.

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                              • markM Offline
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                                mark
                                wrote on last edited by mark
                                #216

                                I am syncing the daemons and as soon as all 2.8 million blocks finish synchronizing, I will be ready to start mining Monero.

                                It's sitting at $234 or so down from a high of 500. It is projected to hit $1000 sometime mid 2020s

                                Going to put all these extra cores to work when I am not using them.

                                It's solo mining effort that does have pools but I am going solo. It does not permit ASICs to mine. It is meant for smaller and many CPU and GPU mining operations. I intend to get at least 3 machines in on the effort. 72 threads on off hours, probably 64 during work and 54 during gaming. All CPU based.

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                                  mark
                                  wrote on last edited by mark
                                  #217

                                  Mining for the first time. I might just build a solar powered mining rig. If you can get miners to run on solar, the profit margin jumps significantly.

                                  2022-04-15 12_26_14-Monero - mark.png

                                  Not sure how far down this rabbit hole I am going to venture, but, it will not just be dipping the toe that's for sure. lol

                                  One report I read said that some people actually do win the BitCoin lottery on occasion using a simple USB stick ASIC miner. One person reportedly solo mined something like 6.5 bitcoin just a short time ago using a $2,500 miner. Made over $250k

                                  Additional miners that look like WiFi access points are producing $30 per day and use very little power on the order or .30 per day.

                                  A solar powered money tree is my goal.

                                  There is one miner available that is producing $250+ per day 365 days per year. It costs a whopping $58k to buy one and the power requirements are pretty stiff but that $250 per day is profit. The payoff is 232 days of operation per miner. Imagine having 4 of them just mining away producing $300k+ of annual profit.

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                                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                    LuFins Dad
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #218

                                    @mark are you better off mining bitcoin or a different currency?

                                    I’ve been thinking about buying a moderate mining rig and having Lucas run it at college…

                                    The Brad

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                                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                      @mark are you better off mining bitcoin or a different currency?

                                      I’ve been thinking about buying a moderate mining rig and having Lucas run it at college…

                                      markM Offline
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                                      mark
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #219

                                      @LuFins-Dad Right now I am mining Monero (XMR).

                                      I am looking to get a couple of small Bitcoin miners and probably one or two that can mine more than one coin and are proven profit centers.

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                                      • George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #220

                                        OK, please type REALLY SLOWLY so that I can understand this.

                                        What, exactly, does "mining" mean? Do you have to have a dedicated computer to do it? What's the investment, the cost?

                                        Again, please type really slowly.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • markM Offline
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                                          mark
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #221

                                          @George-K

                                          I am a noob at all of this myself. Mining is just an application that generates hashes which in turn are used to look for blocks. As you contribute to the building of the block, you get credits for helping out (Proof of Work) and occasionally you hit the jackpot actually find a block. When you find a block I think you are rewarded with a full coin or multiple coins. I have no idea how long it will take for a reward to be issued. I will let you know how it goes.

                                          Anyone can do this. You can allocate the number of processor threads you want to dedicate to the mining process. I am using half of my 32 threads on this AMD 5950X workstation. I have another 5950X machine that I am going to use all 32 threads. Then I am probably going to invest in a dedicated ASIC miner for something that will generate monthly profit. Helium is one that I have read about. There are a few money makers to choose from. I just need to do a lot more research.

                                          https://www.getmonero.org/

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