Music that Gives you Chills
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"Chills are a pleasurable psychophysiological response, often accompanied by piloerection"
Is that like a combination of piles and a hard-on?
I said I'd never fall for that again, and I freaking meant it!
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@klaus said in Music that Gives you Chills:
@taiwan_girl said in Music that Gives you Chills:
@larry I think you are right. I think the arthurs did try and "scientific" study and try and find common themes through the music they list, but I am sure that there is also their personal bias.
For this study, we used ChiM (version 1.0.0, as included in de Fleurian & Pearce, 2020), a data set prepared by compiling every mention of a piece of music reported to elicit chills in the literature reviewed in de Fleurian and Pearce (2020), whether these mentions consisted of author anecdotes, participant reports, empirical verifications, or discussion of prior results. This corresponds to 988 mentions of music confirmed to induce chills in at least one listener.
Obviously the "give chills" property isn't just randomly distributed, so I think it is a valid scientific enterprise to try to find the characteristics of pieces that are frequently described as "gives you chills". But it is of course possible that this particular study is BS.
One obvious threat to validity is that "gives chills" is presumably rather correlated with popularity. This could also be seen as merely a list of particularly popular pieces.
I've got a cousin who says his wife gives him the chills. She gives me the chills too. Just not for the same reason. She gives me the chills because she looks like death eating a cracker.
As far as popularity having anything to do with that list, I didn't see a single thing on the list that was popular
But using today's standards of what is or is not scientific, it's possible. After all, it is claimed that "a consensus of scientists" agree with "man made global warming" when in fact 1. Science isnt done by consensus and 2. They dont agree, actually...
I'd stick with the view that the study is bull shit, if I were you. It beats trying to explain why real scientists have nothing better to do than put together a list of songs, which are and always have been mere preferences based on real issues worthy of study, like age groups, backgrounds, tc. In an attempt to objectively prove the subjective.
Personally, if I had to listen to more than 2 of those things in a row I'd develop suicidal tendencies..
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@klaus said in Music that Gives you Chills:
@larry said in Music that Gives you Chills:
As far as popularity having anything to do with that list, I didn't see a single thing on the list that was popular
"Popular" is not the same as "Larry likes it"
Popular implies that a number of people considerably large enough to create demand for the song to be played more than once exists. It has nothing to do with me or my preferences. If enough people want to hear it, it will be popular. There is practically no demand for 90% of the shit on that list.
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@larry said in Music that Gives you Chills:
If enough people want to hear it, it will be popular. There is practically no demand for 90% of the shit on that list.
Turn on the TV and watch 3 minutes of ads. I guarantee you'll hear (parts of) a piece from that list. Many of the pieces in that list are in collective memory; people may not know the name or the composer, but they know it.
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@klaus said in Music that Gives you Chills:
Link to videopeople may not know the name or the composer, but they know it.
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@larry said in Music that Gives you Chills:
You need to get out more.
I'm pretty confident I get out more than you do, but I fail to see the relevance of that for your Crazy inability to distinguish your personal taste from what other people like.
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From my look at the complete list, probably 75-80% are considered "classical" music.
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@klaus said in Music that Gives you Chills:
@larry said in Music that Gives you Chills:
You need to get out more.
I'm pretty confident I get out more than you do,
BAHAHAHAAAAAAAA
but I fail to see the relevance of that for your Crazy inability to distinguish
your personal taste from what other people like.I'm not the one doing that. You are.
The majority of the list is classical music. Classical music in not popular. Oh, it's probably popular among elitist snobs who think they get out a lot, and smell like the inside of a clarinet case. But not to anyone else. So I'd say the one who can't distinguish between his own personal taste from what other people like is you, since most of the list is classical and classical isn't popular.
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Larry, listen, it's OK that you don't like classical music. Nobody is going to force you to listen to it. I don't quite understand why you feel that it is necessary to talk in a derogative way about it all the time - nobody does this about the music you like, for instance - but if you need that for your ego and feel better afterwards, then I'm all for it.
But whether you like it or not, some classical music is rather popular and in fact ubiquitous, whether in advertisement, Hollywood movies, or restaurant background music. And it's the same pieces, for decades and even centuries. Take a random sample of people from each decade of the last century and play ten seconds of "Für Elise" to them and ask whether they heard the piece. I doubt you'll find many non-classical pieces that will get as many "yes" answers.
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@klaus said in Music that Gives you Chills:
Larry, listen, it's OK that you don't like classical music. Nobody is going to force you to listen to it. I don't quite understand why you feel that it is necessary to talk in a derogative way about it all the time - nobody does this about the music you like, for instance - but if you need that for your ego and feel better afterwards, then I'm all for it.
But whether you like it or not, some classical music is rather popular and in fact ubiquitous, whether in advertisement, Hollywood movies, or restaurant background music. And it's the same pieces, for decades and even centuries. Take a random sample of people from each decade of the last century and play ten seconds of "Für Elise" to them and ask whether they heard the piece. I doubt you'll find many non-classical pieces that will get as many "yes" answers.
Jesus.....
You defeated your own argument all by yourself. First You "don't quite understand why (i) feel it is necessary to talk in a derogative way about it all the time"..... ive been posting on the various forums for well over 25 years now, and i have mentioned classical music maybe 5 or 6 times. I hardly call that "all the time". Second... "nobody does this about the music you like"..... want to know why, Klaus????? BECAUSE THE MUSIC I LIKE IS POPULAR!!!
Bwaaaaaahahahahaaaaaaa
It has nothing to do with my ego - but apparently your ego is on the line here... maybe it's because you derive your self worth from having your nose in the air..
Let me explain the word "popular", Klaus. Background music, music in advertisements, movies, etc.. does not make the music "popular". Music used in those situations is there for what is called "white noise". It keeps you from noticing that the guy sitting 3 tables from you farted.
Here's another way to understand "popular" ... a guy is sitting in a restaurant. Fur Elise is playing in the background. Next to him is a shopping bag containing a ZZ Top album he purchased in a store an hour ago. 1. He didn't choose to listen to fur Elise- it was in essence "forced" on him. But he made a conscious decision to drive to a store and spend money to buy a copy of a ZZ Top album because he wants to be able to listen to the music on it any time he wants. And I assure you, most people will recognize Lagrange within 10 seconds, even though they can't play it themselves, and a 6 year old can figure out how to play fur elise.
You're a funny little duck, huh.....
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I doubt many people under 30 have ever heard of ZZ Top. And they'll likely be mostly forgotten in 50 years. But kids will still play "Für Elise" on their pianos or listen to it in a restaurant.
Do you know why the Audio CD has a maximum play time of 74 minutes? Because the inventors wanted to fit an uninterrupted copy of Beethoven's 9th symphony on it.
Do you know which musician was the one most closely responsible for working with Sony and making the Audio CD a success? The conductor Herbert von Karajan.
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@klaus said in Music that Gives you Chills:
I doubt many people under 30 have ever heard of ZZ Top. And they'll likely be mostly forgotten in 50 years. But kids will still play "Für Elise" on their pianos or listen to it in a restaurant.
Do you know why the Audio CD has a maximum play time of 74 minutes? Because the inventors wanted to fit an uninterrupted copy of Beethoven's 9th symphony on it.
Do you know which musician was the one most closely responsible for working with Sony and making the Audio CD a success? The conductor Herbert von Karajan.
I know what our real problem is here, klaus.., you're a little snob.
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@larry said in Music that Gives you Chills:
@klaus said in Music that Gives you Chills:
I doubt many people under 30 have ever heard of ZZ Top. And they'll likely be mostly forgotten in 50 years. But kids will still play "Für Elise" on their pianos or listen to it in a restaurant.
Do you know why the Audio CD has a maximum play time of 74 minutes? Because the inventors wanted to fit an uninterrupted copy of Beethoven's 9th symphony on it.
Do you know which musician was the one most closely responsible for working with Sony and making the Audio CD a success? The conductor Herbert von Karajan.
I know what our real problem is here, klaus.., you're a little snob.
You know what your problem is? An inferiority complex that manifests itself in aggression as a defense mechanism.
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@klaus said in Music that Gives you Chills:
@larry said in Music that Gives you Chills:
@klaus said in Music that Gives you Chills:
I doubt many people under 30 have ever heard of ZZ Top. And they'll likely be mostly forgotten in 50 years. But kids will still play "Für Elise" on their pianos or listen to it in a restaurant.
Do you know why the Audio CD has a maximum play time of 74 minutes? Because the inventors wanted to fit an uninterrupted copy of Beethoven's 9th symphony on it.
Do you know which musician was the one most closely responsible for working with Sony and making the Audio CD a success? The conductor Herbert von Karajan.
I know what our real problem is here, klaus.., you're a little snob.
You know what your problem is? An inferiority complex that manifests itself in aggression as a defense mechanism.
Just for the record, you were the agressor. I hadn't said shit to you or about you. This isnt the first time you've tried to start shit with me. And each time youve tried to start shit with me, two things happen - 1. You prove that you do it because you have a superiority complex, and 2. I hand you your ass.
