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Murder by Air Embolism

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  • Catseye3C Catseye3

    @george-k said in Murder by Air Embolism:

    It take a lot, and I mean A LOT of air to kill someone if you inject it intravenously.

    It had a good run as a creative and diabolical means of murder in mystery novels though, until autopsies got all fancy with their pinprick detection techniques and whatnot. Readers wised up.

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    @catseye3 said in Murder by Air Embolism:

    @george-k said in Murder by Air Embolism:

    It take a lot, and I mean A LOT of air to kill someone if you inject it intravenously.

    It had a good run as a creative and diabolical means of murder in mystery novels though, until autopsies got all fancy with their pinprick detection techniques and whatnot. Readers wised up.

    Depends on the victim. In the old days, we posted a lot more patients. And anybody that died outside of the hospital was most often posted, unless they were old with known health problems. Today, not so much.

    Unless foul play is suspected or there are legal aspects, most outpatients are never autopsied. Those are usually forensic, if they are done. And very, very few inpatients are posted.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      @klaus said in Murder by Air Embolism:

      @aqua-letifer said in Murder by Air Embolism:

      @klaus said in Murder by Air Embolism:

      One common bike maintenance pitfall is to have air in the hydraulic disc brake system. Devastating consequences for braking performance.

      Gotta spike that shit properly! Or just use rim brakes and stop being such a fucking Nancy.

      I do like a good pair of rim brakes - especially how easy they are to maintain - but their time is over.

      Pffffffffffft.

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      @aqua-letifer said in Murder by Air Embolism:

      Pffffffffffft.

      Funnily enough, that's exactly the noise his fancy-schmancy brakes will make after they've leaked all over the shop and he attempts to apply them just before a high speed meeting with Destiny.

      I was only joking

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        @catseye3 said in Murder by Air Embolism:

        @george-k said in Murder by Air Embolism:

        It take a lot, and I mean A LOT of air to kill someone if you inject it intravenously.

        It had a good run as a creative and diabolical means of murder in mystery novels though, until autopsies got all fancy with their pinprick detection techniques and whatnot. Readers wised up.

        Depends on the victim. In the old days, we posted a lot more patients. And anybody that died outside of the hospital was most often posted, unless they were old with known health problems. Today, not so much.

        Unless foul play is suspected or there are legal aspects, most outpatients are never autopsied. Those are usually forensic, if they are done. And very, very few inpatients are posted.

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        @jolly said in Murder by Air Embolism:

        Depends on the victim. In the old days, we posted a lot more patients.

        Talking about fiction.

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        • Catseye3C Catseye3

          @jolly said in Murder by Air Embolism:

          Depends on the victim. In the old days, we posted a lot more patients.

          Talking about fiction.

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          @catseye3 said in Murder by Air Embolism:

          @jolly said in Murder by Air Embolism:

          Depends on the victim. In the old days, we posted a lot more patients.

          Talking about fiction.

          Ok, I'll bite.

          What do you know about autopsies?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • JollyJ Jolly

            @catseye3 said in Murder by Air Embolism:

            @jolly said in Murder by Air Embolism:

            Depends on the victim. In the old days, we posted a lot more patients.

            Talking about fiction.

            Ok, I'll bite.

            What do you know about autopsies?

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            @jolly said in Murder by Air Embolism:

            What do you know about autopsies?

            I don't have to know about autopsies. I made an observation about the use of injecting air as a murder device in mystery novels. That's it.

            Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            • AxtremusA Away
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              What does it feel like to be killed by an air embolism?
              What are the outward signs that the victim of air embolism would exhibit before he dies of it?

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              • AxtremusA Axtremus

                What does it feel like to be killed by an air embolism?
                What are the outward signs that the victim of air embolism would exhibit before he dies of it?

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                @axtremus said in Murder by Air Embolism:

                What does it feel like to be killed by an air embolism?
                Venous air embolism? Probably feels like you've had a massive heart attack and your heart stops pumping.

                Arterial air embolism? Probably feels like you're having a stroke, if the air goes to the cerebral circulation. Otherwise, I imagine that, if it's large enough, it can cut off circulation to an extremity or other organ. I suppose it depends on how much air is injected, how fast, and where the injection occurs.

                What are the outward signs that the victim of air embolism would exhibit before he dies of it?

                Cardiovascular collapse or stroke, depending on the type of embolism.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • AxtremusA Axtremus

                  What does it feel like to be killed by an air embolism?
                  What are the outward signs that the victim of air embolism would exhibit before he dies of it?

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                  @axtremus said in Murder by Air Embolism:

                  What does it feel like to be killed by an air embolism?

                  You will experience a tingling sensation, and then death.

                  I was only joking

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                    @george-k said in Murder by Air Embolism:

                    Cardiovascular

                    How good is the heart as an air pump?

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                    • CopperC Copper

                      @george-k said in Murder by Air Embolism:

                      Cardiovascular

                      How good is the heart as an air pump?

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                      @Copper

                      Probably no better than the in line water pump I use to flush my Naivien hot water on demand system with vinegar once a year.

                      Elbows up!

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                        @George-K Interesting. Thanks for the explanations.

                        Like @Catseye3 I have read some fiction stories about people being killed by air, and (in the books) it seemed easy and the "perfect" murder.

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