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  • KlausK Klaus

    @jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

    Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

    Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

    So you are saying it all comes down to tribalism, which roughly correlates to distance from the "middle"?

    I'm not sure. The view of other people as a source of illness etc. and especially the rejection of everything that is as engrained into Western culture as the handshake seems to be more of a "woke" left-wing thing.

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    @klaus said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

    @jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

    Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

    Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

    So you are saying it all comes down to tribalism, which roughly correlates to distance from the "middle"?

    I'm not sure. The view of other people as a source of illness etc. and especially the rejection of everything that is as engrained into Western culture as the handshake seems to be more of a "woke" left-wing thing.

    My comment was to tie political leaning to a part of one's psychology. The disgust reaction is something humans are known to vary on, and not by choice. The intensity of that reaction has been studied for its correlation with political leaning. I misremembered what the original findings were - I said it was correlated with left, while in fact it had been correlated with right - which prompted jon to correct me. Then I explained how in our current political environment, certain characteristics of the mainstream left should be appealing to those with high disgust reactions. I suspect this is one of them.

    I sure did get a clear picture during COVID that people differ substantially in how scared they are of getting sick. I suspect that's another piece of psychology that might have a political valence.

    The five factor model of personality has also received plenty of attention regarding how it relates to political leaning. Openness, Conscientiousness, etc. I'll never forget the Ezra Klein podcast interview with a psychologist who studied it, where they talked about all the best ways in which the liberal mind differs, while not mentioning any of the bad ones.

    Education is extremely important.

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      Everybody's a psychologist nowadays, and weirdly enough all the psychology we read that isn't clearly nonsense seems to reinforce what we already knew to be true.

      I was only joking

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      • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

        Everybody's a psychologist nowadays, and weirdly enough all the psychology we read that isn't clearly nonsense seems to reinforce what we already knew to be true.

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        @doctor-phibes said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

        Everybody's a psychologist nowadays, and weirdly enough all the psychology we read that isn't clearly nonsense seems to reinforce what we already knew to be true.

        That's called confirmation bias. You should read up on it, it's fascinating. Maybe jon has some recommended reading.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          @doctor-phibes said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

          Everybody's a psychologist nowadays, and weirdly enough all the psychology we read that isn't clearly nonsense seems to reinforce what we already knew to be true.

          That's called confirmation bias. You should read up on it, it's fascinating. Maybe jon has some recommended reading.

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          @horace said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

          Maybe jon has some recommended reading.

          I do

          Only non-witches get due process.

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            @klaus said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

            @larry said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

            @jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

            Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

            Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

            Hsidt's "specialty" is "the psychology of morality and moral emotions".

            In other words, he's a moron.

            Have you ever considered the possibility that people who are experts in areas you know nothing about are not necessarily morons?

            Have you ever considered the possibility that I might know more about this area than you think?

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              Not for one second. 🤣🤣🤣

              Only non-witches get due process.

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              • LarryL Larry

                @klaus said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

                @larry said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

                @jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

                Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

                Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

                Hsidt's "specialty" is "the psychology of morality and moral emotions".

                In other words, he's a moron.

                Have you ever considered the possibility that people who are experts in areas you know nothing about are not necessarily morons?

                Have you ever considered the possibility that I might know more about this area than you think?

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                @larry said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

                @klaus said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

                @larry said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

                @jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

                Sanctity and purity resonate far more with conservatives too.

                Jonathan Haidt did lots of work on this and published The Righteous Mind for a lay audience.

                Hsidt's "specialty" is "the psychology of morality and moral emotions".

                In other words, he's a moron.

                Have you ever considered the possibility that people who are experts in areas you know nothing about are not necessarily morons?

                Have you ever considered the possibility that I might know more about this area than you think?

                So you're a moron too? 😆

                I was only joking

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                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                  Not for one second. 🤣🤣🤣

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                  @jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

                  Not for one second. 🤣🤣🤣

                  Discussing why that is would be futile, and would only make you worse.

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                    Ya gotta love it.... the slightest bit of left lean causes asshole syndrome.

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                    • LarryL Larry

                      Ya gotta love it.... the slightest bit of left lean causes asshole syndrome.

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                      @larry said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

                      Ya gotta love it.... the slightest bit of left lean causes asshole syndrome.

                      So what's your excuse - did you go all the way round and come out the other side?

                      I was only joking

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                        The other side of what.....

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                          Speaking of Haidt, I'm looking forward to this video, which brings together three of my favourite intellectuals.

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                            I’ve heard that Haidt guy is a moron.

                            Only non-witches get due process.

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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              I’ve heard that Haidt guy is a moron.

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                              @jon-nyc said in Handshake: The next partisan issue?:

                              I’ve heard that Haidt guy is a moron.

                              You are a little unfair. The other two work in a similar field, so they are probably morons, too.

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