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Alec Baldwin what the fuck

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  • George KG George K

    Could still be charged:

    He denies pulling the trigger, but a forensic analysis found the pistol could not have been fired without the trigger being pulled.

    https://variety.com/2023/film/news/alec-baldwin-rust-charged-trigger-pulled-1235697194/

    The special prosecutors on the case, Kari Morrissey and Jason Lewis, commissioned a new forensic examination of the gun and have been waiting on the results before deciding whether to refile the charges. The report, by Lucien and Michael Haag, was submitted to them earlier this month and released Tuesday in a public court filing.

    The experts reconstructed the gun, which had been broken during earlier testing by the FBI, and concluded that it could only have been fired by a pull of the trigger.

    “This fatal incident was the consequence of the hammer being manually retracted to its fully rearward and cocked position followed, at some point, by the pull or rearward depression of the trigger,” the report concluded. “Although Alec Baldwin repeatedly denies pulling the trigger, given the tests, findings and observations reported here, the trigger had to be pulled or depressed sufficiently to release the fully cocked or retracted hammer of the evidence revolver.”

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    taiwan_girl
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    @George-K said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

    He denies pulling the trigger, but a forensic analysis found the pistol could not have been fired without the trigger being pulled.

    He may not remember pulling the trigger. Another data point on why sometimes eyewitness evidence is not always so good.

    I read a book by a guy who was the former head of the New York police IAD department for a long time.

    They had to investigate all police shootings, and one of the interesting things is that they would interview a policeman about how many shots were fired. They (for example) may say that three shots were fired, when in reality, the number was 15-20. In the heat of the moment, things happen that the brain does not compute.

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      @George-K said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

      He denies pulling the trigger, but a forensic analysis found the pistol could not have been fired without the trigger being pulled.

      He may not remember pulling the trigger. Another data point on why sometimes eyewitness evidence is not always so good.

      I read a book by a guy who was the former head of the New York police IAD department for a long time.

      They had to investigate all police shootings, and one of the interesting things is that they would interview a policeman about how many shots were fired. They (for example) may say that three shots were fired, when in reality, the number was 15-20. In the heat of the moment, things happen that the brain does not compute.

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      George K
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      #155

      @taiwan_girl said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

      things happen that the brain does not compute.

      D2 is a clinical psychologist (Doctorate in such). We have talked about this, and this is a common thing that she sees. What one sees does not necessarily agree with what one remembers.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        The gun has been refitted. The sear geometry is no longer the same. In a mechanical situation where a bit of sandpaper can change the trigger pull by several pounds, who can say whether a reconstruction did not take a firearm with an unsafe trigger , into a firearm with a light trigger pull?

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          The gun has been refitted. The sear geometry is no longer the same. In a mechanical situation where a bit of sandpaper can change the trigger pull by several pounds, who can say whether a reconstruction did not take a firearm with an unsafe trigger , into a firearm with a light trigger pull?

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          George K
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          @Jolly said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

          The gun has been refitted.

          I was wondering about that.

          Somewhere, I read (heard?) that the pull on the refitted pistol was two pounds. Is that typical? A lot? A little?

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @Jolly said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

            The gun has been refitted.

            I was wondering about that.

            Somewhere, I read (heard?) that the pull on the refitted pistol was two pounds. Is that typical? A lot? A little?

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            @George-K said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

            @Jolly said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

            The gun has been refitted.

            I was wondering about that.

            Somewhere, I read (heard?) that the pull on the refitted pistol was two pounds. Is that typical? A lot? A little?

            Pretty low for a single-action handgun, except competition stuff. I think the Colt Custom Shop will adjust them down to that, but the Colt factory guns shipped at 3.5 to almost 5 pounds. I have heard of some Italian imports with pretty light triggers in the 2-2.5 pound range.

            To me, anything under three is getting too light for everyday work.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              George K
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              Considering the gun was rebuilt, I imagine Baldwin's legal team is all over the fact that it was altered, and therefore inadmissible as evidence.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                George K
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                #160

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  I still don’t see how they pin this on an actor. There were professionals hired to manage the guns.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    I would hope a jury of his peers will not convict.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Grand Jury, meet ham sandwich.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        Jolly, what do you mean by ham sandwich?
                        Maybe I'm the only one that doesn't get the reference?

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                        • RainmanR Rainman

                          Jolly, what do you mean by ham sandwich?
                          Maybe I'm the only one that doesn't get the reference?

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                          @Rainman said in Alec Baldwin what the fuck:

                          Jolly, what do you mean by ham sandwich?
                          Maybe I'm the only one that doesn't get the reference?

                          "district attorneys now have so much influence on grand juries that 'by and large' they could get them to 'indict a ham sandwich.'" - Judge Sol Wachtler

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            George K
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                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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