Dune 2021
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Just watched it. Best movie I’ve seen in ages. I read the book about 35 years ago but still remember it really well, which I guess says something. I need to read it again.
@doctor-phibes said in Dune 2021:
Just watched it. Best movie I’ve seen in ages. I read the book about 35 years ago but still remember it really well, which I guess says something. I need to read it again.
Go to that YouTube channel I mentioned (Quinn's Ideas). He's kind of a Dune freak and there are several good summaries of the book(s) to get you up to speed if you've forgotten some of the story.
Still, I think the movie stands alone pretty well.
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Oh. Yes.
Just loved it. It's faithful to the story, and in 2 ½ hours it never slowed down, at least for me. The storytelling was clear, and I think for those who haven't read the book(s), it's easy enough to follow what's going on.
Favorite scenes - When the Reverend Mother has Paul's hand in the box. The actor playing Paul does a great job of showing horrible pain, even as the director chose to not show what's really going on in the box.
The arrival on Arrakis. Blowing sand, blinding sun - they set the tone for the environment in which the Atreides have arrived.
The spice harvester - great CGI, and well-paced. And, of course, the worm.
When Dr. Hinds leaves to return to the seitch, she stands at the top of a dune, with hooks in each hand, preparing to ride.
And, for @bachophile ....
When Dr. Hinds leaves to return to the seitch, she stands at the top of a dune, with hooks in each hand, preparing to ride.
And for those who don't know the story, this is a wonderfully missed detail.
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@george-k This is the odd thing, I remember pretty much the whole story, all the names and terminology etc. I think the world really got under my skin in a way that only Tolkien had previously.
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How is Mamoa as Duncan Idaho?
@lufins-dad said in Dune 2021:
How is Mamoa as Duncan Idaho?
Excellent. From the books, I never got the "connection" between Luke and Duncan. The movie portrays that pretty well.
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@lufins-dad said in Dune 2021:
How is Mamoa as Duncan Idaho?
Excellent. From the books, I never got the "connection" between Luke and Duncan. The movie portrays that pretty well.
@lufins-dad said in Dune 2021:
How is Mamoa as Duncan Idaho?
Excellent. From the books, I never got the "connection" between Luke and Duncan. The movie portrays that pretty well.
Really? I thought that would be one of the worst castings in history…
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@lufins-dad said in Dune 2021:
How is Mamoa as Duncan Idaho?
Excellent. From the books, I never got the "connection" between Luke and Duncan. The movie portrays that pretty well.
Really? I thought that would be one of the worst castings in history…
@lufins-dad said in Dune 2021:
@lufins-dad said in Dune 2021:
How is Mamoa as Duncan Idaho?
Excellent. From the books, I never got the "connection" between Luke and Duncan. The movie portrays that pretty well.
Really? I thought that would be one of the worst castings in history…
Agreed. But he came off pretty good. It’s a small role in the movie, though, and it worked. Look at the trailer, and you’ll get the idea. There’s really not much more of the character other than his encounter with the Sardoukar in the movie.
I was disappointed to not see more of Thufir and Pieter, however. The Dr. Yueh story was painfully abbreviated as well.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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I can't get Bautista as the lovable goof from Guardians of the Galaxy out of my head when I see him. So, I never bought him as the evil guy. Good movie though, looking forward to the second one.
I can't get Bautista as the lovable goof from Guardians of the Galaxy out of my head when I see him. So, I never bought him as the evil guy. Good movie though, looking forward to the second one.
Oddly, I thought Bautista for Beast Rabban was a brilliant choice. The images that I have seen have confirmed it, in my mind. He looks like Rabban as I pictured him.
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I can't get Bautista as the lovable goof from Guardians of the Galaxy out of my head when I see him. So, I never bought him as the evil guy. Good movie though, looking forward to the second one.
Oddly, I thought Bautista for Beast Rabban was a brilliant choice. The images that I have seen have confirmed it, in my mind. He looks like Rabban as I pictured him.
@lufins-dad said in Dune 2021:
I can't get Bautista as the lovable goof from Guardians of the Galaxy out of my head when I see him. So, I never bought him as the evil guy. Good movie though, looking forward to the second one.
Oddly, I thought Bautista for Beast Rabban was a brilliant choice. The images that I have seen have confirmed it, in my mind. He looks like Rabban as I pictured him.
It's a safe bet that I've watched Guardians of the Galaxy 1&2 more than most.
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@lufins-dad said in Dune 2021:
@lufins-dad said in Dune 2021:
How is Mamoa as Duncan Idaho?
Excellent. From the books, I never got the "connection" between Luke and Duncan. The movie portrays that pretty well.
Really? I thought that would be one of the worst castings in history…
Agreed. But he came off pretty good. It’s a small role in the movie, though, and it worked. Look at the trailer, and you’ll get the idea. There’s really not much more of the character other than his encounter with the Sardoukar in the movie.
I was disappointed to not see more of Thufir and Pieter, however. The Dr. Yueh story was painfully abbreviated as well.
The Dr. Yueh story was painfully abbreviated as well.
In the book, does Dr. Yueh speak Chinese/Mandarin? In the first scene with the doctor appears where Yueh examines Paul and warns Paul about the Bene Gesserit, in this movie Yueh speaks in Chinese/Mandarin. I'm trying to figure out if the Mandarin speaking is actually in the book or just the film makers trying to score points with mainland China's movie goers.
When Dr. Hinds leaves to return to the seitch, she stands at the top of a dune, with hooks in each hand, preparing to ride.
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And for those who don't know the story, this is a wonderfully missed detail.I noticed, and I kept hoping to see the scene where they ride the giant worms, but there is no such scene in this movie. Guess they're saving that for the sequel.
Yeah, this new Dune movie is a very good production that is in many ways better than the old Dune movie, but IIRC the old movie got more done in one movie, including the worm riding and worm battle scenes. :man-shrugging:
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The Dr. Yueh story was painfully abbreviated as well.
In the book, does Dr. Yueh speak Chinese/Mandarin? In the first scene with the doctor appears where Yueh examines Paul and warns Paul about the Bene Gesserit, in this movie Yueh speaks in Chinese/Mandarin. I'm trying to figure out if the Mandarin speaking is actually in the book or just the film makers trying to score points with mainland China's movie goers.
When Dr. Hinds leaves to return to the seitch, she stands at the top of a dune, with hooks in each hand, preparing to ride.
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And for those who don't know the story, this is a wonderfully missed detail.I noticed, and I kept hoping to see the scene where they ride the giant worms, but there is no such scene in this movie. Guess they're saving that for the sequel.
Yeah, this new Dune movie is a very good production that is in many ways better than the old Dune movie, but IIRC the old movie got more done in one movie, including the worm riding and worm battle scenes. :man-shrugging:
In the book, does Dr. Yueh speak Chinese/Mandarin? In the first scene with the doctor appears where Yueh examines Paul and warns Paul about the Bene Gesserit, in this movie Yueh speaks in Chinese/Mandarin. I'm trying to figure out if the Mandarin speaking is actually in the book or just the film makers trying to score points with mainland China's movie goers.
No. Everyone speaks what we would call "English" in the books, although what language is common among all the houses 20,000 years from now is speculation.
Yeah, this new Dune movie is a very good production that is in many ways better than the old Dune movie, but IIRC the old movie got more done in one movie, including the worm riding and worm battle scenes. :man-shrugging:
I'm sure you'll see a lot of that in the concluding chapter.
More thoughts:
Another thing I liked is the allusions to things that are not explicitly in the book, but are just hinted at.
For example, the aversion to "thinking machines" is there, though not explicitly explained. Almost everything seems analog. No screens, buttons to tap, etc. You have to go back to the Butlerian Jihad to really understand the reasoning behind that. In the movie, you just wonder "Why is it like that."
I wish they had spent more time explaining the role of the Mentats, (Peiter and Thufir). If one's not familiar with the books, it can be confusing: "Who are those guys with the nictitating membranes?"
As I said, the Dr. Yueh story was abbreviated, I imagine for time's sake. The backstory of his wife would have made his betrayal much more interesting. Similarly, Gurney's suspicion of Jessica being the traitor was not even mentioned.
Vladimir Harkonnen's OTHER nephew, Feyd-Rautha, who plays a major role in the end of the story is hardly mentioned. I hope this character isn't deleted.
Harkonnen sure comes off as the bad guy/antagonist in the movie, but his sadistic nature isn't really touched upon.
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In the book, does Dr. Yueh speak Chinese/Mandarin? In the first scene with the doctor appears where Yueh examines Paul and warns Paul about the Bene Gesserit, in this movie Yueh speaks in Chinese/Mandarin. I'm trying to figure out if the Mandarin speaking is actually in the book or just the film makers trying to score points with mainland China's movie goers.
No. Everyone speaks what we would call "English" in the books, although what language is common among all the houses 20,000 years from now is speculation.
Yeah, this new Dune movie is a very good production that is in many ways better than the old Dune movie, but IIRC the old movie got more done in one movie, including the worm riding and worm battle scenes. :man-shrugging:
I'm sure you'll see a lot of that in the concluding chapter.
More thoughts:
Another thing I liked is the allusions to things that are not explicitly in the book, but are just hinted at.
For example, the aversion to "thinking machines" is there, though not explicitly explained. Almost everything seems analog. No screens, buttons to tap, etc. You have to go back to the Butlerian Jihad to really understand the reasoning behind that. In the movie, you just wonder "Why is it like that."
I wish they had spent more time explaining the role of the Mentats, (Peiter and Thufir). If one's not familiar with the books, it can be confusing: "Who are those guys with the nictitating membranes?"
As I said, the Dr. Yueh story was abbreviated, I imagine for time's sake. The backstory of his wife would have made his betrayal much more interesting. Similarly, Gurney's suspicion of Jessica being the traitor was not even mentioned.
Vladimir Harkonnen's OTHER nephew, Feyd-Rautha, who plays a major role in the end of the story is hardly mentioned. I hope this character isn't deleted.
Harkonnen sure comes off as the bad guy/antagonist in the movie, but his sadistic nature isn't really touched upon.
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The director talks about the hand in the box scene:
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