Summing up the Gates haters
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wrote on 24 May 2020, 22:00 last edited by
Quoting myself:
"I will not sit back and enjoy how multi-billionaires think people should live and behave, just as I won't support those in politics that want to tell us how to live and behave, outside this pandemic, I guess."My quote above is not true. It's the same thing, except how the money is channeled. Whether the billionaires fund behind the scenes, or indirectly fund political candidates: same effect, same influence.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 00:48 last edited by
Mr. Gates competed and won.
There are a lot of guys who competed against him and didn't win, as much as him, but did OK.
The system works.
You may not always like the winners and losers, but it works.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 01:40 last edited by Mik
I didn’t vote for Carnegie either but certainly benefitted from growing up with one of his libraries.
That Gates is not elected doesn’t bother me at all. Most of the institutions we cherish today, particularly the arts, were not government projects but philanthropy. Anyone can try to sell their ideas for a better world, and usually should. That he has more ability due to his fortune doesn’t exempt him from having to have support other than money.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 01:44 last edited by
Saying that Bill Gates shouldn't use his money actively is basically saying you want the government to control everything. If you think that will reduce indoctrination, you haven't been concentrating.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 01:51 last edited by Rainman
Mik:
"I didn’t vote for Carnegie either but certainly benefitted from growing up with one of his libraries."OK, that's a stupid comparison.
Gates can build as many libraries as he wants, I will agree that is great!
But Carnegie DID NOT tell the people after constructing a library, or establishing the Carnegie Commission, WHAT was to be in the library, or what music should be played.
Is it really that hard to understand, what the difference is?
Geeze, I believe I am making some sense in the words I use, but it's like people do not, or do not want, to understand.
Fine, you're right. End of discussion.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 02:36 last edited by
I trust Bill Gates a lot more than I trust the people you dumb colonials vote for.
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I trust Bill Gates a lot more than I trust the people you dumb colonials vote for.
wrote on 25 May 2020, 02:39 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in Summing up the Gates haters:
I trust Bill Gates a lot more than I trust the people you dumb colonials vote for.
+1
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 02:47 last edited by
Manipulating what people think and feel is certainly within the power of those with lots of money and it is certainly normal to have a big issue with it if you do not agree with whatever ideas are being distributed. But that is a different question than what to do about it in general. The only entity that can stop folks with lots of money is the government so you have to pick your poison.
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wrote on 25 May 2020, 03:23 last edited by
@Horace said in Summing up the Gates haters:
The only entity that can stop folks with lots of money is the government so you have to pick your poison.
Impossible to stop the influence, when your hand is out taking their money to begin with. Or is it that a politician can take huge amounts of money and those with "lots of money" expect nothing in return?
Riiiiight.How can you say, "Manipulating what people think and feel is certainly within the power of those with lots of money and it is certainly normal to have a big issue with it if you do not agree with whatever ideas are being distributed."
That's not a problem, based upon what I'm trying to get across. It's not you I'm concerned about. But, give me your kids for several hours a day throughout the school year, and if you are the typical parent, you don't have a clue what's going on in your child's school, or where the money way in the background, comes from.
Blind faith. No thanks.
End result, those with billions influence and steer, politicians could stop it, but will not bite the hand that feeds them. It's not a left/right issue, it's Koch vs. Soros, the new Masters of the Universe vs. the Old School money like Gates. But in the end, there's nothing I can do about it. I've seen the results of Big Money in public education, as the State is always out of sufficient funding, so there are ample opportunities for the moneyed to step in quietly and take up some of the slack.
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@Horace said in Summing up the Gates haters:
The only entity that can stop folks with lots of money is the government so you have to pick your poison.
Impossible to stop the influence, when your hand is out taking their money to begin with. Or is it that a politician can take huge amounts of money and those with "lots of money" expect nothing in return?
Riiiiight.How can you say, "Manipulating what people think and feel is certainly within the power of those with lots of money and it is certainly normal to have a big issue with it if you do not agree with whatever ideas are being distributed."
That's not a problem, based upon what I'm trying to get across. It's not you I'm concerned about. But, give me your kids for several hours a day throughout the school year, and if you are the typical parent, you don't have a clue what's going on in your child's school, or where the money way in the background, comes from.
Blind faith. No thanks.
End result, those with billions influence and steer, politicians could stop it, but will not bite the hand that feeds them. It's not a left/right issue, it's Koch vs. Soros, the new Masters of the Universe vs. the Old School money like Gates. But in the end, there's nothing I can do about it. I've seen the results of Big Money in public education, as the State is always out of sufficient funding, so there are ample opportunities for the moneyed to step in quietly and take up some of the slack.
wrote on 25 May 2020, 09:47 last edited by@Rainman said in Summing up the Gates haters:
Impossible to stop the influence, when your hand is out taking their money to begin with. Or is it that a politician can take huge amounts of money and those with "lots of money" expect nothing in return?
So you agree that outsized “big money” influence is (1) not good and (2) hard to get away from. Let’s get working on boosting the marginal income tax rates for the very high brackets, institute a “wealth tax” on the ultra wealthy, boost support for the low income. Basically you want to support policies that reduce wealth inequality and reduce income inequality. That way you reduce “big money” and its power over the rest of society. Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Sen. Bernie Sanders have many good policy ideas along those lines. I hope you find something you like and support them.
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@Rainman said in Summing up the Gates haters:
Impossible to stop the influence, when your hand is out taking their money to begin with. Or is it that a politician can take huge amounts of money and those with "lots of money" expect nothing in return?
So you agree that outsized “big money” influence is (1) not good and (2) hard to get away from. Let’s get working on boosting the marginal income tax rates for the very high brackets, institute a “wealth tax” on the ultra wealthy, boost support for the low income. Basically you want to support policies that reduce wealth inequality and reduce income inequality. That way you reduce “big money” and its power over the rest of society. Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Sen. Bernie Sanders have many good policy ideas along those lines. I hope you find something you like and support them.
wrote on 25 May 2020, 13:03 last edited by@Axtremus said in Summing up the Gates haters:
@Rainman said in Summing up the Gates haters:
Impossible to stop the influence, when your hand is out taking their money to begin with. Or is it that a politician can take huge amounts of money and those with "lots of money" expect nothing in return?
So you agree that outsized “big money” influence is (1) not good and (2) hard to get away from. Let’s get working on boosting the marginal income tax rates for the very high brackets, institute a “wealth tax” on the ultra wealthy, boost support for the low income. Basically you want to support policies that reduce wealth inequality and reduce income inequality. That way you reduce “big money” and its power over the rest of society. Sen. Elizabeth Warren and Sen. Bernie Sanders have many good policy ideas along those lines. I hope you find something you like and support them.
That is stupid. Here are some facts for you:
- Half the people in this country don't pay any tax at all.
- If you confiscated 100% of the wealth of the "very high brackets" it would run the country for about a week.
- It would also put millions of people out of a job and collapse the economy.
- "Wealth inequality" and "income inequality" are dog whistles and nothing more. If you try to "equalize wealth and income" through taxation you WILL achieve it - no one will have any money. Everyone will be equally poor.
Spare us from the idiots who think like you do.
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wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 12:55 last edited by
I don't know a thing about what Bill Gates is doing, nor do I know the reason some people hate him. What I DO know is that I am against microchipping people, and if someone tries to put one in me he will die a swift death.
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wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 13:16 last edited by
Why would anybody bother micro-chipping people to track them? They do it for themselves every time they log onto Facebook to complain about it.
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wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:11 last edited by Mik
They're also carrying their microchip in their pockets.
I don't understand the Gates hatred either. He walked away from Microsoft and dedicated his life and fortune to improving the human condition. The bastard.
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They're also carrying their microchip in their pockets.
I don't understand the Gates hatred either. He walked away from Microsoft and dedicated his life and fortune to improving the human condition. The bastard.
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 14:14 last edited by@Mik said in Summing up the Gates haters:
They're also carrying their microchip in their pockets.
I don't understand the Gates hatred either. He walked away from Microsoft and dedicated his life and fortune to improving the human condition. The bastard.
Let's just be thankful he isn't Jewish as well as everything else. They'd be howling at the freaking moon.
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My knee is the smartest part of my body and it is a very quick thinker. It seems to "jerk" from your slower frame of reference but its reactions are well-considered.
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They're also carrying their microchip in their pockets.
I don't understand the Gates hatred either. He walked away from Microsoft and dedicated his life and fortune to improving the human condition. The bastard.
wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 16:14 last edited by@Mik said in Summing up the Gates haters:
They're also carrying their microchip in their pockets.
I don't understand the Gates hatred either. He walked away from Microsoft and dedicated his life and fortune to improving the human condition. The bastard.
For me not understanding Gates hatred is not understanding the nexus of whacked out people and rich people who could benefit from making stuff up.
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wrote on 30 Jul 2020, 16:21 last edited by
Gates hatred appears on my radar only inasmuch as it's something for people to make fun of. I find that lots of allegedly important ideas are like that. There is power in convincing people that they are smart because "look what all the dumb people in that other tribe think".
Education is extremely important.
