Don't reform it. End it.

Jolly · 19 Oct 2021, 16:47

Homeschooling runs the gamut from mom at home with one child, to parents banding together to hire a certified teacher (great gig for a retired elementary teacher), to consortiums that combine remote learning with class instruction, especially in subjects like calculus.

This ain't Little House on the Prairie, y'all...

Doctor Phibes · 19 Oct 2021, 17:56

@jolly said in Don't reform it. End it.:

This ain't Little House on the Prairie, y'all...

Ms. Ingalls Wilder certainly wrote a lot better than the author of the article you quoted.

I know, unnecessary snark. Still....

Horace · 19 Oct 2021, 17:40

It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

Doctor Phibes · 19 Oct 2021, 17:42

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

Hear speaks the voice of experience.

Horace · 19 Oct 2021, 17:42

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

Here speaks the voice of experience.

I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

Doctor Phibes · 19 Oct 2021, 17:44

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

Here speaks the voice of experience.

I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

I can work a computer. I can't bloody program one.

Horace · 19 Oct 2021, 17:48

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

Here speaks the voice of experience.

I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

Doctor Phibes · 19 Oct 2021, 17:50

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

Here speaks the voice of experience.

I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

This is one of those times when I can't actually tell whether you're been sarcastic or not

Horace · 19 Oct 2021, 17:54

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

Here speaks the voice of experience.

I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

This is one of those times when I can't actually tell whether you're been sarcastic or not

I'm not. I do believe that teachers at the elementary grade level are overrated or maybe underrated. If they're surrogate parents, then there's an issue.

Copper · H Horace 19 Oct 2021, 17:44

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

My understanding is that teachers these days spend a lot of time helping children select a gender.

Selecting a new gender sould be considered making a difference.

Doctor Phibes · H Horace 19 Oct 2021, 17:50

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

Here speaks the voice of experience.

I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

This is one of those times when I can't actually tell whether you're been sarcastic or not

I'm not. I do believe that teachers at the elementary grade level are overrated or maybe underrated. If they're surrogate parents, then there's an issue.

You should give it a go. I saw the world of education a lot differently after a year of teacher training. It was easily the toughest year of my life.

Jolly · wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 17:56

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@jolly said in Don't reform it. End it.:

This ain't Little House on the Prairie, y'all...

Ms. Ingalls Wilder certainly wrote a lot better than the author of the article you quoted.

I know, unnecessary snark. Still....

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

Grammatically correct and succinct. How's that?

Aqua Letifer · 19 Oct 2021, 18:05

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

My grandmother was a 4th grade teacher for her entire working life. Her eulogy was a stack of letters 5th grade students wrote to her about how she impacted their life. You don't know what you're talking about.

Most teachers do their job. Some of them suck. A few permanently change lives.

Horace · 19 Oct 2021, 18:12

@aqua-letifer said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

My grandmother was a 4th grade teacher for her entire working life. Her eulogy was a stack of letters 5th grade students wrote to her about how she impacted their life. You don't know what you're talking about.

Most teachers do their job. Some of them suck. A few permanently change lives.

Yes a few permanently change lives. I'm reminded of our Kenny, I know he had a teacher, and that person was so much better than his own parents. It can at times take only one. Just a beacon of light, because I know that people do care, but not everybody does.

Doctor Phibes · H Horace 19 Oct 2021, 18:05

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@aqua-letifer said in Don't reform it. End it.:

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

My grandmother was a 4th grade teacher for her entire working life. Her eulogy was a stack of letters 5th grade students wrote to her about how she impacted their life. You don't know what you're talking about.

Most teachers do their job. Some of them suck. A few permanently change lives.

Yes a few permanently change lives. I'm reminded of our Kenny, I know he had a teacher, and that person was so much better than his own parents. It can at times take only one. Just a beacon of light, because I know that people do care, but not everybody does.

I had a wonderful home life, and awesome parents, but I still remember the teachers who inspired me.

As a parent, visiting my kids' schools, some teachers stand out there, too.

Catseye3 · wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 18:20

When I was a freshman in college, my English teacher, Dr. Law, stopped me in the parking lot and asked me why I'd done something out of character, I forget what. (I was gangbusters in English, maybe I screwed up on a test or something.) I explained that I'd been up all night studying and was tired. She got very stern about not abusing my health, took out her wallet, and made me take a dollar and commanded I go to the mess hall and buy some milk!

I went to the local Bierstube and spent her dollar on two beers. Didn't feel guilty about it either, rapscallion that I was.

Funny though, how I've never forgotten Dr. Law and her dollar.

Doctor Phibes · 19 Oct 2021, 18:48

I think I can probably name every single teacher I had from first grade onwards until I was 16. Some of them weren't great, but no small number were.

Maybe I was just lucky.

Aqua Letifer · wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 18:48

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

I think I can probably name every single teacher I had from first grade onwards until I was 16.

I can.

Some seriously sucked, but most were good. A few were excellent.

Horace · 19 Oct 2021, 20:14

@doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

I think I can probably name every single teacher I had from first grade onwards until I was 16. Some of them weren't great, but no small number were.

Maybe I was just lucky.

Jeepers. We all had them.

Really? Name them.

Doctor Phibes · 19 Oct 2021, 20:16

@horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

Really? Name them.

Primary school teachers, ages 5-11: Miss Rigby, Mrs. Frake, Mrs. Head, Mrs Fleet, Miss Brown, Mrs. Taylor, Mrs. White, Mr. Barker.

Secondary 11-16: Mrs. Metcalfe, Mr. Sunderland, Mrs. Hundleby, Mr. Olivine, Mr. Harris, Mrs. Harris, Mr. Shemilt, Miss Jones, Mr. Harvey, Mr. Leadbeater, Mrs. Oliver, Mr. Kay, Mr. Gregory, Miss Lancaster, Mrs. McDermot, Mr. Myerscough, Mrs. Halpin, Mr. Dewhurst, Mrs. Day, Mrs. Aldridge, Mr. Belton, Mrs. Warner,

I think that's it - I must admit I had a bit of an advantage - my high school opened with our year, there were only 7 teachers for the first year. It's also possible I missed a couple...

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