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    Catseye3
    wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 15:12 last edited by
    #14

    When I was a young thing living in Germany, the system there split kids into two groups upon their 17th birthday: You proceeded either to academia or toward trade school. I don't know if that system still exists. I'd be surprised if it did. Maybe Klaus can say.

    I thought it was a great idea.

    Of course, it would never fly here. Parents would scream that their child, who was really brilliant if you got to know him, was being discriminated against blah blah blah. Then after they defeated the proposal, would lapse back into lethargy and preoccupation with other things.

    From what little I know of home schooling, I'm all for it. Or at least, all for exploring it further.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      LuFins Dad
      wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 15:26 last edited by
      #15

      Post 1) Gee, I wonder if I might have something to add to this conversation as a father of a recent grad of Loudoun County Public Schools and the father of a 2-year-old that has to decide between having that child attend school in this district or homeschooling. I also happen to be Christian, but not “out there” so to speak. One who believes in evolution and Sex Ed and thinks both should be taught in schools…

      1. LCPS is a tremendous school district. Over a 95% graduation rate and somewhere around 90% of the school graduates well prepared for college. Also, there is extraordinarily low crime rates outside of a 1 mile square in a town called Sterling. I think Aqua used to live there…Like I said, it’s why we live here rather than living in Prince William County with a much nicer house for the money and only a 20 minute longer commute for me for work…

      Now here’s the debate, how much of that success is due to this being the wealthiest county in the US? With highly educated and involved parents? I’d say a good bit, but I am also willing to credit the school system.

      Now, this school system has had a tremendous amount of success with African American students. They have a HIGHER graduation rate than the 95% average AND African American families median income in the county is above the county’s median income which is the highest in the US.

      The Brad

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      • C Catseye3
        19 Oct 2021, 15:12

        When I was a young thing living in Germany, the system there split kids into two groups upon their 17th birthday: You proceeded either to academia or toward trade school. I don't know if that system still exists. I'd be surprised if it did. Maybe Klaus can say.

        I thought it was a great idea.

        Of course, it would never fly here. Parents would scream that their child, who was really brilliant if you got to know him, was being discriminated against blah blah blah. Then after they defeated the proposal, would lapse back into lethargy and preoccupation with other things.

        From what little I know of home schooling, I'm all for it. Or at least, all for exploring it further.

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        Doctor Phibes
        wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 15:27 last edited by
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        @catseye3 said in Don't reform it. End it.:

        When I was a young thing living in Germany, the system there split kids into two groups upon their 17th birthday: You proceeded either to academia or toward trade school. I don't know if that system still exists. I'd be surprised if it did. Maybe Klaus can say.

        I thought it was a great idea.

        Of course, it would never fly here. Parents would scream that their child, who was really brilliant if you got to know him, was being discriminated against blah blah blah. Then after they defeated the proposal, would lapse back into lethargy and preoccupation with other things.

        From what little I know of home schooling, I'm all for it. Or at least, all for exploring it further.

        Home schooling is illegal in Germany, as it happens.

        I was only joking

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        • L LuFins Dad
          19 Oct 2021, 15:26

          Post 1) Gee, I wonder if I might have something to add to this conversation as a father of a recent grad of Loudoun County Public Schools and the father of a 2-year-old that has to decide between having that child attend school in this district or homeschooling. I also happen to be Christian, but not “out there” so to speak. One who believes in evolution and Sex Ed and thinks both should be taught in schools…

          1. LCPS is a tremendous school district. Over a 95% graduation rate and somewhere around 90% of the school graduates well prepared for college. Also, there is extraordinarily low crime rates outside of a 1 mile square in a town called Sterling. I think Aqua used to live there…Like I said, it’s why we live here rather than living in Prince William County with a much nicer house for the money and only a 20 minute longer commute for me for work…

          Now here’s the debate, how much of that success is due to this being the wealthiest county in the US? With highly educated and involved parents? I’d say a good bit, but I am also willing to credit the school system.

          Now, this school system has had a tremendous amount of success with African American students. They have a HIGHER graduation rate than the 95% average AND African American families median income in the county is above the county’s median income which is the highest in the US.

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          Doctor Phibes
          wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 15:31 last edited by Doctor Phibes
          #17

          @lufins-dad said in Don't reform it. End it.:

          Post 1) Gee, I wonder if I might have something to add to this conversation as a father of a recent grad of Loudoun County Public Schools and the father of a 2-year-old that has to decide between having that child attend school in this district or homeschooling. I also happen to be Christian, but not “out there” so to speak. One who believes in evolution and Sex Ed and thinks both should be taught in schools…

          1. LCPS is a tremendous school district. Over a 95% graduation rate and somewhere around 90% of the school graduates well prepared for college. Also, there is extraordinarily low crime rates outside of a 1 mile square in a town called Sterling. I think Aqua used to live there…Like I said, it’s why we live here rather than living in Prince William County with a much nicer house for the money and only a 20 minute longer commute for me for work…

          Now here’s the debate, how much of that success is due to this being the wealthiest county in the US? With highly educated and involved parents? I’d say a good bit, but I am also willing to credit the school system.

          Now, this school system has had a tremendous amount of success with African American students. They have a HIGHER graduation rate than the 95% average AND African American families median income in the county is above the county’s median income which is the highest in the US.

          We chose where we live based largely due to the reputation of the school system. It's a big deal, and we were very lucky. We essentially chose to live in a considerably smaller house than we could have afforded in other towns in the area so that our kids could go to school here. And now they're fully grown, we're really noticing it.

          I was only joking

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            Jolly
            wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 16:00 last edited by
            #18

            Homeschooling runs the gamut from mom at home with one child, to parents banding together to hire a certified teacher (great gig for a retired elementary teacher), to consortiums that combine remote learning with class instruction, especially in subjects like calculus.

            This ain't Little House on the Prairie, y'all...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • J Jolly
              19 Oct 2021, 16:00

              Homeschooling runs the gamut from mom at home with one child, to parents banding together to hire a certified teacher (great gig for a retired elementary teacher), to consortiums that combine remote learning with class instruction, especially in subjects like calculus.

              This ain't Little House on the Prairie, y'all...

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              Doctor Phibes
              wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 16:47 last edited by Doctor Phibes
              #19

              @jolly said in Don't reform it. End it.:

              This ain't Little House on the Prairie, y'all...

              Ms. Ingalls Wilder certainly wrote a lot better than the author of the article you quoted.

              I know, unnecessary snark. Still....

              I was only joking

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                Horace
                wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 17:28 last edited by Horace
                #20

                It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                Education is extremely important.

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                • H Horace
                  19 Oct 2021, 17:28

                  It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

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                  Doctor Phibes
                  wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 17:40 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                  #21

                  @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                  It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                  Hear speaks the voice of experience.

                  I was only joking

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                  • D Doctor Phibes
                    19 Oct 2021, 17:40

                    @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                    It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                    Hear speaks the voice of experience.

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                    Horace
                    wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 17:42 last edited by
                    #22

                    @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                    @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                    It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                    Here speaks the voice of experience.

                    I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                    • H Horace
                      19 Oct 2021, 17:42

                      @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                      @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                      It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                      Here speaks the voice of experience.

                      I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

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                      Doctor Phibes
                      wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 17:42 last edited by Doctor Phibes
                      #23

                      @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                      @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                      @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                      It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                      Here speaks the voice of experience.

                      I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

                      Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

                      I can work a computer. I can't bloody program one.

                      I was only joking

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                      • D Doctor Phibes
                        19 Oct 2021, 17:42

                        @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                        @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                        @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                        It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                        Here speaks the voice of experience.

                        I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

                        Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

                        I can work a computer. I can't bloody program one.

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                        Horace
                        wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 17:44 last edited by
                        #24

                        @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                        @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                        @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                        @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                        It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                        Here speaks the voice of experience.

                        I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

                        Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

                        At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • H Horace
                          19 Oct 2021, 17:44

                          @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                          @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                          @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                          @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                          It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                          Here speaks the voice of experience.

                          I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

                          Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

                          At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 17:48 last edited by
                          #25

                          @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                          @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                          @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                          @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                          @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                          It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                          Here speaks the voice of experience.

                          I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

                          Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

                          At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

                          This is one of those times when I can't actually tell whether you're been sarcastic or not 😆

                          I was only joking

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                          • D Doctor Phibes
                            19 Oct 2021, 17:48

                            @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                            @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                            @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                            @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                            @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                            It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                            Here speaks the voice of experience.

                            I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

                            Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

                            At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

                            This is one of those times when I can't actually tell whether you're been sarcastic or not 😆

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 17:50 last edited by
                            #26

                            @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                            @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                            @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                            @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                            @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                            @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                            It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                            Here speaks the voice of experience.

                            I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

                            Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

                            At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

                            This is one of those times when I can't actually tell whether you're been sarcastic or not 😆

                            I'm not. I do believe that teachers at the elementary grade level are overrated or maybe underrated. If they're surrogate parents, then there's an issue.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                            • H Horace
                              19 Oct 2021, 17:44

                              @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                              @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                              @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                              @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                              It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                              Here speaks the voice of experience.

                              I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

                              Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

                              At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

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                              Copper
                              wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 17:50 last edited by
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                              @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                              How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

                              My understanding is that teachers these days spend a lot of time helping children select a gender.

                              Selecting a new gender sould be considered making a difference.

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                              • H Horace
                                19 Oct 2021, 17:50

                                @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                                Here speaks the voice of experience.

                                I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

                                Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

                                At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

                                This is one of those times when I can't actually tell whether you're been sarcastic or not 😆

                                I'm not. I do believe that teachers at the elementary grade level are overrated or maybe underrated. If they're surrogate parents, then there's an issue.

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                                Doctor Phibes
                                wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 17:54 last edited by
                                #28

                                @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                                Here speaks the voice of experience.

                                I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

                                Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

                                At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

                                This is one of those times when I can't actually tell whether you're been sarcastic or not 😆

                                I'm not. I do believe that teachers at the elementary grade level are overrated or maybe underrated. If they're surrogate parents, then there's an issue.

                                You should give it a go. I saw the world of education a lot differently after a year of teacher training. It was easily the toughest year of my life.

                                I was only joking

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                                • D Doctor Phibes
                                  19 Oct 2021, 16:47

                                  @jolly said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                  This ain't Little House on the Prairie, y'all...

                                  Ms. Ingalls Wilder certainly wrote a lot better than the author of the article you quoted.

                                  I know, unnecessary snark. Still....

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 17:56 last edited by
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                                  @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                  @jolly said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                  This ain't Little House on the Prairie, y'all...

                                  Ms. Ingalls Wilder certainly wrote a lot better than the author of the article you quoted.

                                  I know, unnecessary snark. Still....

                                  Fuck you and the horse you rode in on.

                                  Grammatically correct and succinct. How's that?😘

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • H Horace
                                    19 Oct 2021, 17:44

                                    @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                    @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                    @doctor-phibes said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                    @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                    It's like nobody attended the same grade schools as I did. Do you think a parent can't provide whatever that was, in terms of information? The teachers at those schools don't depend on their gained knowledge, they depend on text books and lesson plans generated by a community of teachers. What's to stop a parent from relying on those same materials? Are text books impossible to come by? Who on earth thinks your average grade school teacher has some special intelligence about anything other than corralling kids? You still won't find anybody with special intelligence about anything until you're going for a PhD, and then only maybe.

                                    Here speaks the voice of experience.

                                    I did, though. I experienced elementary education. Maybe parents tend to glorify it. yeah, it's a big deal, but no, they really don't have the time or attention to make a huge difference.

                                    Going to school isn't the same as bloody teaching it. Any fucking idiot can get through school.

                                    At the end of the day, they're the person in front of the chalkboard reminding you to do your homework, or to clean your room. There isn't more of a potential for them to make a difference. How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

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                                    Aqua Letifer
                                    wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 18:01 last edited by
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                                    @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                    How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

                                    My grandmother was a 4th grade teacher for her entire working life. Her eulogy was a stack of letters 5th grade students wrote to her about how she impacted their life. You don't know what you're talking about.

                                    Most teachers do their job. Some of them suck. A few permanently change lives.

                                    Please love yourself.

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                                    • A Aqua Letifer
                                      19 Oct 2021, 18:01

                                      @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                      How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

                                      My grandmother was a 4th grade teacher for her entire working life. Her eulogy was a stack of letters 5th grade students wrote to her about how she impacted their life. You don't know what you're talking about.

                                      Most teachers do their job. Some of them suck. A few permanently change lives.

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                                      Horace
                                      wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 18:05 last edited by
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                                      @aqua-letifer said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                      @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                      How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

                                      My grandmother was a 4th grade teacher for her entire working life. Her eulogy was a stack of letters 5th grade students wrote to her about how she impacted their life. You don't know what you're talking about.

                                      Most teachers do their job. Some of them suck. A few permanently change lives.

                                      Yes a few permanently change lives. I'm reminded of our Kenny, I know he had a teacher, and that person was so much better than his own parents. It can at times take only one. Just a beacon of light, because I know that people do care, but not everybody does.

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                      • H Horace
                                        19 Oct 2021, 18:05

                                        @aqua-letifer said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                        @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                        How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

                                        My grandmother was a 4th grade teacher for her entire working life. Her eulogy was a stack of letters 5th grade students wrote to her about how she impacted their life. You don't know what you're talking about.

                                        Most teachers do their job. Some of them suck. A few permanently change lives.

                                        Yes a few permanently change lives. I'm reminded of our Kenny, I know he had a teacher, and that person was so much better than his own parents. It can at times take only one. Just a beacon of light, because I know that people do care, but not everybody does.

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                                        Doctor Phibes
                                        wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 18:12 last edited by Doctor Phibes
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                                        @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                        @aqua-letifer said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                        @horace said in Don't reform it. End it.:

                                        How creepy is it to think a teacher is making a difference in a kid's life anyway?

                                        My grandmother was a 4th grade teacher for her entire working life. Her eulogy was a stack of letters 5th grade students wrote to her about how she impacted their life. You don't know what you're talking about.

                                        Most teachers do their job. Some of them suck. A few permanently change lives.

                                        Yes a few permanently change lives. I'm reminded of our Kenny, I know he had a teacher, and that person was so much better than his own parents. It can at times take only one. Just a beacon of light, because I know that people do care, but not everybody does.

                                        I had a wonderful home life, and awesome parents, but I still remember the teachers who inspired me.

                                        As a parent, visiting my kids' schools, some teachers stand out there, too.

                                        I was only joking

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                                          wrote on 19 Oct 2021, 18:20 last edited by Catseye3
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                                          When I was a freshman in college, my English teacher, Dr. Law, stopped me in the parking lot and asked me why I'd done something out of character, I forget what. (I was gangbusters in English, maybe I screwed up on a test or something.) I explained that I'd been up all night studying and was tired. She got very stern about not abusing my health, took out her wallet, and made me take a dollar and commanded I go to the mess hall and buy some milk!

                                          I went to the local Bierstube and spent her dollar on two beers. Didn't feel guilty about it either, rapscallion that I was.

                                          Funny though, how I've never forgotten Dr. Law and her dollar.

                                          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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