No Good Reason
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So, he shot her with a 9x19 or a .40 S&W. There's not enough force in either cartridge, even with multiple hits, to fling somebody back. Therefore, I'm not convinced by your leaning argument.
Secondly, no other officer fired. You don't stop an enraged mob with one officer firing, do you?
Third, I'd say walking off and leaving your loaded handgun on a lavatory counter in a public restroom is not good weapon retention.
Fourth, the shooting was given an absolute Ole'! of an investigation, which is a miscarriage of justice, not that justice matters much anymore.
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These people were not complying with officers who had drawn weapons.
A non-compliant mob could be reasonably interpreted as a deadly threat against police officers.
I don’t understand the defense.
@xenon said in No Good Reason:
These people were not complying with officers who had drawn weapons.
A non-compliant mob could be reasonably interpreted as a deadly threat against police officers.
I don’t understand the defense.
There isn't really a defence. The only valid complaint is if the investigation was somehow sub-par.
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Interview with the guy that pulled the trigger.
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Interview with the guy that pulled the trigger.
Link to video@xenon said in No Good Reason:
Interview with the guy that pulled the trigger.
It's a long way from an interview by a news organization to a statement made, under oath, to an investigating body.
And that never happened.
The lack of curiosity about why it never happened is...disappointing, but not surprising.
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@xenon said in No Good Reason:
Interview with the guy that pulled the trigger.
It's a long way from an interview by a news organization to a statement made, under oath, to an investigating body.
And that never happened.
The lack of curiosity about why it never happened is...disappointing, but not surprising.
@george-k said in No Good Reason:
@xenon said in No Good Reason:
Interview with the guy that pulled the trigger.
It's a long way from an interview by a news organization to a statement made, under oath, to an investigating body.
And that never happened.
The lack of curiosity about why it never happened is...disappointing, but not surprising.
The Capitol Police said they reviewed the incident. I don't know what the standard here is anytime someone dies at the hands of the police. (Is there always a criminal investigation, in all States?)
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/department-justice-closes-investigation-death-ashli-babbitt
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@george-k said in No Good Reason:
@xenon said in No Good Reason:
Interview with the guy that pulled the trigger.
It's a long way from an interview by a news organization to a statement made, under oath, to an investigating body.
And that never happened.
The lack of curiosity about why it never happened is...disappointing, but not surprising.
The Capitol Police said they reviewed the incident. I don't know what the standard here is anytime someone dies at the hands of the police. (Is there always a criminal investigation, in all States?)
https://www.justice.gov/usao-dc/pr/department-justice-closes-investigation-death-ashli-babbitt
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@george-k said in No Good Reason:
@xenon as @jolly pointed out, any time a LEO discharges his weapon it is SOP to hold an interview with the officer. All the more reason in this case because he has a history of being careless with firearms.
This didn't happen.
Is that a Police dept by dept. procedure or some sort of federal law across States?
Regardless - the 2nd link seems to suggest that he was interviewed
The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia’s Public Corruption and Civil Rights Section and the Civil Rights Division, with the Metropolitan Police Department’s Internal Affairs Division (IAD), conducted a thorough investigation of Ms. Babbitt’s shooting. Officials examined video footage posted on social media, statements from the officer involved and other officers and witnesses to the events, physical evidence from the scene of the shooting, and the results of an autopsy. Based on that investigation, officials determined that there is insufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution. Officials from IAD informed a representative of Ms. Babbitt’s family today of this determination.
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@george-k said in No Good Reason:
@xenon as @jolly pointed out, any time a LEO discharges his weapon it is SOP to hold an interview with the officer. All the more reason in this case because he has a history of being careless with firearms.
This didn't happen.
Is that a Police dept by dept. procedure or some sort of federal law across States?
Regardless - the 2nd link seems to suggest that he was interviewed
The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia’s Public Corruption and Civil Rights Section and the Civil Rights Division, with the Metropolitan Police Department’s Internal Affairs Division (IAD), conducted a thorough investigation of Ms. Babbitt’s shooting. Officials examined video footage posted on social media, statements from the officer involved and other officers and witnesses to the events, physical evidence from the scene of the shooting, and the results of an autopsy. Based on that investigation, officials determined that there is insufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution. Officials from IAD informed a representative of Ms. Babbitt’s family today of this determination.
@xenon said in No Good Reason:
@george-k said in No Good Reason:
@xenon as @jolly pointed out, any time a LEO discharges his weapon it is SOP to hold an interview with the officer. All the more reason in this case because he has a history of being careless with firearms.
This didn't happen.
Is that a Police dept by dept. procedure or some sort of federal law across States?
Regardless - the 2nd link seems to suggest that he was interviewed
The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia’s Public Corruption and Civil Rights Section and the Civil Rights Division, with the Metropolitan Police Department’s Internal Affairs Division (IAD), conducted a thorough investigation of Ms. Babbitt’s shooting. Officials examined video footage posted on social media, statements from the officer involved and other officers and witnesses to the events, physical evidence from the scene of the shooting, and the results of an autopsy. Based on that investigation, officials determined that there is insufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution. Officials from IAD informed a representative of Ms. Babbitt’s family today of this determination.
A "statement from the officer involved" is also a far cry from an interview in which questions were asked.
Was it an oral statement, or written (I'm guessing this)?
Also, a "criminal prosecution" is a far cry from disciplinary actions by the department.
So many questions...
Why?
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@george-k said in No Good Reason:
@xenon as @jolly pointed out, any time a LEO discharges his weapon it is SOP to hold an interview with the officer. All the more reason in this case because he has a history of being careless with firearms.
This didn't happen.
Is that a Police dept by dept. procedure or some sort of federal law across States?
Regardless - the 2nd link seems to suggest that he was interviewed
The U.S. Attorney’s Office for the District of Columbia’s Public Corruption and Civil Rights Section and the Civil Rights Division, with the Metropolitan Police Department’s Internal Affairs Division (IAD), conducted a thorough investigation of Ms. Babbitt’s shooting. Officials examined video footage posted on social media, statements from the officer involved and other officers and witnesses to the events, physical evidence from the scene of the shooting, and the results of an autopsy. Based on that investigation, officials determined that there is insufficient evidence to support a criminal prosecution. Officials from IAD informed a representative of Ms. Babbitt’s family today of this determination.
@xenon said in No Good Reason:
suggest that he was interviewed
That is weird how the government web sites suggest that he was interviewed.
And all the right leaning web sites agree that he was never interviewed.
Weird
I suggest the "statements from the officer involved" were something like, "I'm taking the 5th".
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I'll leave the "was the shooting justified" question to those who know more about shooting unarmed civilians without warning in closed environments with potential victims nearby to those who know more than I do.
What this all seems to point to is that Byrd was not interviewed or questioned. It also says that there's nothing to indicate criminal prosecution. Not all unjustified police shootings end up in criminal prosecution, do they - there are disciplinary standards that can be held against the officer.
The fact that these procedures, followed by countless law enforcement agencies around the country, were not followed smells of something. Show me how Byrd was held accountable, or exonerated (other than "no criminal prosecution), and I might change my opinion.
And that feeds the conspiracy theorists, and others.
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What if there was a crowd outside your house and one of the people broke one of your windows and leaned their body inside?
You are standing on the inside of the house with a gun.
What is your response?
