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  • George KG George K

    @doctor-phibes said in "If this offends you":

    So what's the point of all the US flags flying on people's lawns? They achieve nothing. We all know we're in America, there's no point telling everybody.
    How about the yellow ribbons for POW's? Again, no point to them. If you care, you need to get yourself out there in a Rambo costume and start rescuing people languishing in foreign camps.

    How did you get Ax's password?

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    Catseye3
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    @george-k No, I think Phibes has a point.

    During WWII, families would hang a symbol in their windows -- I think it was a star? -- signifying that a family member had fallen in battle. That was a form of communication, both to share the sad news and also to request they not be bothered as they were in mourning. The sign served a purpose.

    It may be that putting out symbols nowadays got its start from that custom. But the original purpose is no longer being served. Now it's pointless, as he says. It's cheap patriotism -- you get the credit for waving the flag without having to work for it.

    I guess, depending on the culture of the neighborhood, such symbols can function as a support for community cohesion -- "we're in this together".

    I remember resenting when GWB decreed the flags could be raised from half mast post 9/11. The thought that flared was, "I'll raise the flag when I fxxking well feel like it, mofo."

    Hm, I guess I'm conflicted about this.

    Nem mind.

    Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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      True story - three days ago I had to hurriedly drag my dog away as he attempted to take a dump right on one of those small US flags on somebody's lawn. I was freaking mortified.

      And no, I haven't trained him to do it.

      I was only joking

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      • Catseye3C Catseye3

        @george-k No, I think Phibes has a point.

        During WWII, families would hang a symbol in their windows -- I think it was a star? -- signifying that a family member had fallen in battle. That was a form of communication, both to share the sad news and also to request they not be bothered as they were in mourning. The sign served a purpose.

        It may be that putting out symbols nowadays got its start from that custom. But the original purpose is no longer being served. Now it's pointless, as he says. It's cheap patriotism -- you get the credit for waving the flag without having to work for it.

        I guess, depending on the culture of the neighborhood, such symbols can function as a support for community cohesion -- "we're in this together".

        I remember resenting when GWB decreed the flags could be raised from half mast post 9/11. The thought that flared was, "I'll raise the flag when I fxxking well feel like it, mofo."

        Hm, I guess I'm conflicted about this.

        Nem mind.

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        Aqua Letifer
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        @catseye3 said in "If this offends you":

        During WWII, families would hang a symbol in their windows -- I think it was a star? -- signifying that a family member had fallen in battle. That was a form of communication, both to share the sad news and also to request they not be bothered as they were in mourning. The sign served a purpose.
        It may be that putting out symbols nowadays got its start from that custom.

        Holy crap, where to start.

        1. Service flags predate WWII. And they're still used today. Drive around.
        2. A gold star signifies a fallen family member. A blue star signifies a family member serving in a time of conflict.
        3. For the gold stars, they aren't shown to be left alone to mourn. They're to show pride and solidarity in their family members' service to their country. Some mourning families quite obviously ask for privacy but that's not what the stars are for.
        4. "Putting out symbols" didn't start with service flags. You're off by a few thousand years.

        Please love yourself.

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

          @catseye3 said in "If this offends you":

          During WWII, families would hang a symbol in their windows -- I think it was a star? -- signifying that a family member had fallen in battle. That was a form of communication, both to share the sad news and also to request they not be bothered as they were in mourning. The sign served a purpose.
          It may be that putting out symbols nowadays got its start from that custom.

          Holy crap, where to start.

          1. Service flags predate WWII. And they're still used today. Drive around.
          2. A gold star signifies a fallen family member. A blue star signifies a family member serving in a time of conflict.
          3. For the gold stars, they aren't shown to be left alone to mourn. They're to show pride and solidarity in their family members' service to their country. Some mourning families quite obviously ask for privacy but that's not what the stars are for.
          4. "Putting out symbols" didn't start with service flags. You're off by a few thousand years.
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          @aqua-letifer And not even a thank-you for affording you an opportunity to show off your farflung knowledge?

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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            And let's not forget the most patriotic people on earth - car dealers.

            I was only joking

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              LuFins Dad
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              Are we really going to discuss people that abuse the flag?

              1. Take your US flag down at night, people, unless you have it appropriately lit and it is an appropriate and patriotic occasion.

              2. The proper way to retire an old flag or one that has been damaged or dirtied is to burn it. From now on, any time I see a flag t-shirt on some fat and sweaty slob with pit stains and bbq stains, I am going to retire that flag. Same with hats, same with ties, same with bathing suits.

              The Brad

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                Jolly
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                @doctor-phibes said in "If this offends you":

                So what's the point of all the US flags flying on people's lawns?

                I dunno. You tell me...

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                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Aqua Letifer
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                  @catseye3 said in "If this offends you":

                  @aqua-letifer And not even a thank-you for affording you an opportunity to show off your farflung knowledge?

                  Eh? How is any of that far-flung?

                  Please love yourself.

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @doctor-phibes said in "If this offends you":

                    So what's the point of all the US flags flying on people's lawns?

                    I dunno. You tell me...

                    alt text

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                    @jolly said in "If this offends you":

                    @doctor-phibes said in "If this offends you":

                    So what's the point of all the US flags flying on people's lawns?

                    I dunno. You tell me...

                    alt text

                    I'm really glad I grew up in an area where seeing that was not at all weird. The same motherfuckers who love watching
                    "Invictus" on Prime also find the Stars & Bars so scary that only insane racists would ever keep one around.

                    Please love yourself.

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      @doctor-phibes said in "If this offends you":

                      So what's the point of all the US flags flying on people's lawns?

                      I dunno. You tell me...

                      alt text

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                      Renauda
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                      #25

                      @jolly

                      On Victoria Day Holiday in May and Canada Day 1 July I fly the Red Ensign alongside the Canadian flag:

                      fdff91d3-ac39-40b3-a1fc-6c6230d487f2-image.png

                      Sadly, like your Army of West Virginia battle flag, the Red Ensign and its heritage has been usurped and is now wrongly considered by some as offensive. Story here:

                      https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/former-canadian-flag-the-red-ensign-gets-new-darker-life-as-far-right-symbol

                      On 11 November, Remembrance Day, I used to fly the Red Ensign alone, but since Afghanistan, I fly the CAF flag in honour of the servicemen and women in all conflicts and peacetime:

                      5a671013-a925-474a-8549-3e9ee0d64ae8-image.png

                      I am sure some are working perverting that flag as well.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Mik

                        @catseye3 said in "If this offends you":

                        @mik Why perturb yourself? If you want to honor her, honor her. If you don't, fuggetaboutit and preserve your peace.

                        I'm not perturbed at all. But it is absurd to believe you can choose to be an outlier AND demand that everyone else treat you a certain way because of it. I don't deliberately disrespect the people I meet, but I'm also not going to change my behavior based on their choices.

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                        @mik said in "If this offends you":

                        it is absurd to believe you can choose to be an outlier AND demand that everyone else treat you a certain way because of it

                        Even more so to agree with this

                        Which of course every politician, of a certain ilk, must

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                        • HoraceH Horace

                          @catseye3 said in "If this offends you":

                          @horace As I have given you my word that I would no longer post to you with anything other than impersonal material, I am prohibited from answering your question.

                          Funny, you had a drop-in on that thread between me and Renauda with some pearls about hatred being eternal. I'll tell you what's more eternal. Stupid and crazy.

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                          @horace said in "If this offends you":

                          @catseye3 said in "If this offends you":

                          @horace As I have given you my word that I would no longer post to you with anything other than impersonal material, I am prohibited from answering your question.

                          Funny, you had a drop-in on that thread between me and Renauda with some pearls about hatred being eternal. I'll tell you what's more eternal. Stupid and crazy.

                          Amen, preach it, brother!! Truest words said today.

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                          • Doctor PhibesD Doctor Phibes

                            So what's the point of all the US flags flying on people's lawns? They achieve nothing. We all know we're in America, there's no point telling everybody.

                            How about the yellow ribbons for POW's? Again, no point to them. If you care, you need to get yourself out there in a Rambo costume and start rescuing people languishing in foreign camps.

                            I could go on.....

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                            wrote on last edited by
                            #28

                            @doctor-phibes said in "If this offends you":

                            So what's the point of all the US flags flying on people's lawns? They achieve nothing. We all know we're in America, there's no point telling everybody.

                            How about the yellow ribbons for POW's? Again, no point to them. If you care, you need to get yourself out there in a Rambo costume and start rescuing people languishing in foreign camps.

                            I could go on.....

                            If you actually believe we fly the US flag to let people know where they are, it explains a lot...

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @jolly

                              On Victoria Day Holiday in May and Canada Day 1 July I fly the Red Ensign alongside the Canadian flag:

                              fdff91d3-ac39-40b3-a1fc-6c6230d487f2-image.png

                              Sadly, like your Army of West Virginia battle flag, the Red Ensign and its heritage has been usurped and is now wrongly considered by some as offensive. Story here:

                              https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/former-canadian-flag-the-red-ensign-gets-new-darker-life-as-far-right-symbol

                              On 11 November, Remembrance Day, I used to fly the Red Ensign alone, but since Afghanistan, I fly the CAF flag in honour of the servicemen and women in all conflicts and peacetime:

                              5a671013-a925-474a-8549-3e9ee0d64ae8-image.png

                              I am sure some are working perverting that flag as well.

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                              Jolly
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                              #29

                              @renauda said in "If this offends you":

                              @jolly

                              On Victoria Day Holiday in May and Canada Day 1 July I fly the Red Ensign alongside the Canadian flag:

                              fdff91d3-ac39-40b3-a1fc-6c6230d487f2-image.png

                              Sadly, like your Army of West Virginia battle flag, the Red Ensign and its heritage has been usurped and is now wrongly considered by some as offensive. Story here:

                              https://nationalpost.com/news/canada/former-canadian-flag-the-red-ensign-gets-new-darker-life-as-far-right-symbol

                              On 11 November, Remembrance Day, I used to fly the Red Ensign alone, but since Afghanistan, I fly the CAF flag in honour of the servicemen and women in all conflicts and peacetime:

                              5a671013-a925-474a-8549-3e9ee0d64ae8-image.png

                              I am sure some are working perverting that flag as well.

                              Fly it. Fly it proudly.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • LarryL Larry

                                @doctor-phibes said in "If this offends you":

                                So what's the point of all the US flags flying on people's lawns? They achieve nothing. We all know we're in America, there's no point telling everybody.

                                How about the yellow ribbons for POW's? Again, no point to them. If you care, you need to get yourself out there in a Rambo costume and start rescuing people languishing in foreign camps.

                                I could go on.....

                                If you actually believe we fly the US flag to let people know where they are, it explains a lot...

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                                Doctor Phibes
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                                #30

                                @larry said in "If this offends you":

                                @doctor-phibes said in "If this offends you":

                                So what's the point of all the US flags flying on people's lawns? They achieve nothing. We all know we're in America, there's no point telling everybody.

                                How about the yellow ribbons for POW's? Again, no point to them. If you care, you need to get yourself out there in a Rambo costume and start rescuing people languishing in foreign camps.

                                I could go on.....

                                If you actually believe we fly the US flag to let people know where they are, it explains a lot...

                                I think you may have missed my point.

                                I was only joking

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