Cancelling Strauss
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wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 11:53 last edited by
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No, Messerschmittstrasse in Moosach is not very long or particularly prominent. It is a parallel street to Hanauer Straße and measures a little more than 200 meters. If only it weren't for the name: The street is named after Willy Messerschmitt, who on the one hand is considered a pioneer of aviation, but on the other hand demanded the use of slave labor under National Socialism and welcomed the fact that concentration camp prisoners had to work on the aircraft; many died in the process. Is it still right to honor someone like Messerschmitt with a street name? Or should the name be erased from the honorable memory of the city?
The Munich city archive sees at least "increased need for discussion": Messerschmittstrasse is on a "shortlist" that the archive announced on Monday. The city archives have been doing an inventory since 2016, so to speak: so that individual street names do not have to be discussed again and again, historians on behalf of the city council check all streets to see whether they could be named after a problematic person. According to Sigrid Koneberg from the municipal department, there are currently almost 6300 streets. And the current status is: In 372 of these, the scientists see at least "possibly" a need for action...
It is one of the most prominent entries on the city archive's "shortlist": Richard-Strauss-Strasse in Bogenhausen (and the Richard-Strauss tunnel below it) is a section of the Middle Ring. It was named in sections in 1915 and 1958 after the late romantic Munich composer Richard Strauss; not least the Arabellastraße and the Arabellapark are named after one of his works. But Strauss was President of the Reich Music Chamber from 1933 to 1935 - that is, an official representative of the National Socialist state.
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wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 12:43 last edited by
Street “names” are silly. Just number them instead.
E.g., “36th Avenue,” “D Street”, “the 36-D intersection.” -
Street “names” are silly. Just number them instead.
E.g., “36th Avenue,” “D Street”, “the 36-D intersection.”wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 13:10 last edited by@axtremus said in Cancelling Strauss:
Street “names” are silly. Just number them instead.
E.g., “36th Avenue,” “D Street”, “the 36-D intersection.”This is connected to your choice of media entertainment. Just sayin'.
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Street “names” are silly. Just number them instead.
E.g., “36th Avenue,” “D Street”, “the 36-D intersection.”wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 13:10 last edited by@axtremus said in Cancelling Strauss:
Street “names” are silly. Just number them instead.
E.g., “36th Avenue,” “D Street”, “the 36-D intersection.”Have you ever been to a city that does not have a block structure? People are not good at remembering numbers. Also, it is a nice opportunity to honor and remember people with street names.
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wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 13:16 last edited by
Maybe we should start giving people numbers rather than names, too. Much more efficient.
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Street “names” are silly. Just number them instead.
E.g., “36th Avenue,” “D Street”, “the 36-D intersection.”wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 13:19 last edited by@axtremus said in Cancelling Strauss:
Street “names” are silly. Just number them instead.
E.g., “36th Avenue,” “D Street”, “the 36-D intersection.”Only you.
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Maybe we should start giving people numbers rather than names, too. Much more efficient.
wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 13:23 last edited by Catseye3 10 Jun 2021, 13:24@doctor-phibes said in Cancelling Strauss:
Maybe we should start giving people numbers rather than names, too.
Or with streets, do both at once, like Toity-Toid Street.
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Maybe we should start giving people numbers rather than names, too. Much more efficient.
wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 14:09 last edited by@doctor-phibes said in Cancelling Strauss:
Maybe we should start giving people numbers rather than names, too. Much more efficient.
Indeed. Social Security number, passport number, driver's license number, national identity card number ... that's about the only way to organize large number of people.
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@axtremus said in Cancelling Strauss:
Street “names” are silly. Just number them instead.
E.g., “36th Avenue,” “D Street”, “the 36-D intersection.”Have you ever been to a city that does not have a block structure? People are not good at remembering numbers. Also, it is a nice opportunity to honor and remember people with street names.
wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 14:19 last edited by@klaus said in Cancelling Strauss:
@axtremus said in Cancelling Strauss:
Street “names” are silly. Just number them instead.
E.g., “36th Avenue,” “D Street”, “the 36-D intersection.”Have you ever been to a city that does not have a block structure? People are not good at remembering numbers. Also, it is a nice opportunity to honor and remember people with street names.
Indeed, block structure is not a prerequisite to enumerating objects. As a civilization we have developed ways to enumerate things even in non-Euclidean spaces. It is sentimentally nice to honor and remember people with street names, but that also leads to controversial calls to rename street names according to the social zeitgeist of the day.
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@klaus said in Cancelling Strauss:
@axtremus said in Cancelling Strauss:
Street “names” are silly. Just number them instead.
E.g., “36th Avenue,” “D Street”, “the 36-D intersection.”Have you ever been to a city that does not have a block structure? People are not good at remembering numbers. Also, it is a nice opportunity to honor and remember people with street names.
Indeed, block structure is not a prerequisite to enumerating objects. As a civilization we have developed ways to enumerate things even in non-Euclidean spaces. It is sentimentally nice to honor and remember people with street names, but that also leads to controversial calls to rename street names according to the social zeitgeist of the day.
wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 15:03 last edited by@axtremus said in Cancelling Strauss:
@klaus said in Cancelling Strauss:
@axtremus said in Cancelling Strauss:
Street “names” are silly. Just number them instead.
E.g., “36th Avenue,” “D Street”, “the 36-D intersection.”Have you ever been to a city that does not have a block structure? People are not good at remembering numbers. Also, it is a nice opportunity to honor and remember people with street names.
Indeed, block structure is not a prerequisite to enumerating objects. As a civilization we have developed ways to enumerate things even in non-Euclidean spaces. It is sentimentally nice to honor and remember people with street names, but that also leads to controversial calls to rename street names according to the social zeitgeist of the day.
People cannot remember numbers nearly as well as names. It's impractical to use numbers, unless you have block structure.
Also, using numbers wouldn't help at all with the controversy. Lots of numbers have historical associations. 18 = Adolf Hitler. 311 = Ku Klux Klan. And so forth.
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wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 15:06 last edited by Renauda 10 Jun 2021, 15:08
Most streets and avenues in older areas are numbered in this city. Like virtially every city in this part of the country it is a block structure. Makes it easy to find places without having to refer to a map or GPS.
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wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 15:17 last edited by
@klaus said in Cancelling Strauss:
Also, using numbers wouldn't help at all with the controversy. Lots of numbers have historical associations. 18 = Adolf Hitler. 311 = Ku Klux Klan. And so forth.
I get my kicks on Route 666.
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@doctor-phibes said in Cancelling Strauss:
Maybe we should start giving people numbers rather than names, too. Much more efficient.
Indeed. Social Security number, passport number, driver's license number, national identity card number ... that's about the only way to organize large number of people.
wrote on 6 Oct 2021, 16:06 last edited by@axtremus said in Cancelling Strauss:
@doctor-phibes said in Cancelling Strauss:
Maybe we should start giving people numbers rather than names, too. Much more efficient.
Indeed. Social Security number, passport number, driver's license number, national identity card number ... that's about the only way to organize large number of people.
The progressives have already tried that.
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wrote on 7 Oct 2021, 01:14 last edited by
I think it is places in Japan, where the numbers on the house are when it was built, so the numbers are not necessarily in order as you go up or down the street. 555