The ❤ of a Marine
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wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 21:23 last edited by
And to be clear - I’m not saying everyone should be forced to get a vaccine or that they’re beyond reproach.
But - soldiers are supposed to follow orders and the military is within its right to ask soldiers to do much riskier things than anyone could ask a civilian to do.
Subverting your own norms to take down the bigger perceived problem is what “TDS” was all about.
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wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 21:24 last edited by
Let’s remember these are people who you’re allowed to shoot for non compliance.
Uh, no.
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@xenon said in The
of a Marine:You don’t even get to choose your own haircut in the military.
If these guys are on the front lines, do they really want to be facing a Covid outbreak of their own causing?
The freedoms of soldiers aren’t supposed to be judged on the same yardstick as civilians.
Let’s remember these are people who you’re allowed to shoot for non compliance.
He has a heart condition. He has two tours in a combat theater. You want to give him a dishonorable.
You're a low-life piece of shit for that one. Period.
wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 21:27 last edited by@jolly so he’s healthy enough to be active duty - but the vaccine is the thing that’s going to bump him into permanent harm.
Based on what? I haven’t seen those studies.
Do soldiers get to make up their own risks?
This is bigger than one soldiers’ concerns.
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@jolly so he’s healthy enough to be active duty - but the vaccine is the thing that’s going to bump him into permanent harm.
Based on what? I haven’t seen those studies.
Do soldiers get to make up their own risks?
This is bigger than one soldiers’ concerns.
wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 21:32 last edited by@xenon said in The
of a Marine:@jolly so he’s healthy enough to be active duty - but the vaccine is the thing that’s going to bump him into permanent harm.
Based on what? I haven’t seen those studies.
Do soldiers get to make up their own risks?
This is bigger than one soldiers’ concerns.
No, it's not. This is America, not India, not China. While he may still be in the service, an individual still retains some basic rights. There is a distinct possibility of microclots or myocarditis with the vaccine. Some may be worse than others.
If he can show due medical cause for exemption, he should not have to take the jab. If the service wants to give him a Medical, fine. But unless you know what a dishonorable entails - and it's obvious as hell you don't - there is no reason to hang that millstone around his neck other than sheer punitive meaness.
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@xenon said in The
of a Marine:@jolly so he’s healthy enough to be active duty - but the vaccine is the thing that’s going to bump him into permanent harm.
Based on what? I haven’t seen those studies.
Do soldiers get to make up their own risks?
This is bigger than one soldiers’ concerns.
No, it's not. This is America, not India, not China. While he may still be in the service, an individual still retains some basic rights. There is a distinct possibility of microclots or myocarditis with the vaccine. Some may be worse than others.
If he can show due medical cause for exemption, he should not have to take the jab. If the service wants to give him a Medical, fine. But unless you know what a dishonorable entails - and it's obvious as hell you don't - there is no reason to hang that millstone around his neck other than sheer punitive meaness.
wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 21:34 last edited by@jolly said in The
of a Marine:@xenon said in The
of a Marine:@jolly so he’s healthy enough to be active duty - but the vaccine is the thing that’s going to bump him into permanent harm.
Based on what? I haven’t seen those studies.
Do soldiers get to make up their own risks?
This is bigger than one soldiers’ concerns.
No, it's not. This is America, not India, not China. While he may still be in the service, an individual still retains some basic rights. There is a distinct possibility of microclots or myocarditis with the vaccine. Some may be worse than others.
If he can show due medical cause for exemption, he should not have to take the jab. If the service wants to give him a Medical, fine. But unless you know what a dishonorable entails - and it's obvious as hell you don't - there is no reason to hang that millstone around his neck other than sheer punitive meaness.
It is indeed crazy to not have exemptions.
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wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 21:36 last edited by xenon 10 Feb 2021, 21:37
Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?
Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.
The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.
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wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 21:42 last edited by
From the air forces own website - they have a medical exemption process:
Exemptions
Service members have the option to apply for medical or administrative exemption, including religious accommodations. The process for obtaining exemptions for all mandatory vaccinations is provided in AFI 48-110_IP, Immunizations and Chemoprophylaxis for the Prevention of Infectious Diseases, for medical exemptions, and DAFI 52-201, Religious Freedom in the Department of the Air Force, for religious accommodations. No exemptions from the vaccine will be approved solely because Airmen and Guardians have an approved retirement or separation date. -
Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?
Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.
The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.
wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 21:43 last edited by Jolly 10 Feb 2021, 21:43@xenon said in The
of a Marine:Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?
Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.
The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.
Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.
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@xenon said in The
of a Marine:Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?
Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.
The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.
Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.
wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 21:44 last edited by@jolly said in The
of a Marine:@xenon said in The
of a Marine:Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?
Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.
The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.
Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.
Where’d you read that?
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@jolly said in The
of a Marine:@xenon said in The
of a Marine:Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?
Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.
The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.
Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.
Where’d you read that?
wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 21:44 last edited by@xenon said in The
of a Marine:@jolly said in The
of a Marine:@xenon said in The
of a Marine:Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?
Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.
The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.
Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.
Where’d you read that?
Where's your Marine and Navy rules?
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@xenon said in The
of a Marine:@jolly said in The
of a Marine:@xenon said in The
of a Marine:Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?
Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.
The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.
Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.
Where’d you read that?
Where's your Marine and Navy rules?
wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 21:46 last edited by xenon 10 Feb 2021, 21:49@jolly said in The
of a Marine:@xenon said in The
of a Marine:@jolly said in The
of a Marine:@xenon said in The
of a Marine:Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?
Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.
The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.
Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.
Where’d you read that?
Where's your Marine and Navy rules?
You’re the one asserting reading comprehension deficits on my end. So what’d I miss in your slanted article?
Also if you read my link you’d see that it draws on a statute applying to all armed services.
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wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 22:14 last edited by
It's for the Chair Force.
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wrote on 2 Oct 2021, 22:18 last edited by xenon 10 Feb 2021, 22:23
@jolly said in The
of a Marine:It's for the Chair Force.
It’s not, reading comprehension guy:
https://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_sg/publication/afi48-110/afi48-110.pdf
Your own article from the Seal thread talks about how soldiers who get a religious exemption for the vaccine are treated differently for deployment than people who get a medical exemption.
Do you even read your own articles? Or are you just agreeing with the politics of the headline?
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wrote on 3 Oct 2021, 01:54 last edited by
Both.