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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
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    Interesting...

    https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/satafghan-war-vet-two-heart-conditions-faces-dishonorable-discharge

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      xenon
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      taking an experimental drug with unknown long-term side effects isn't a medical option for him

      Isn’t this an FDA approved drug?

      Didn’t think soldiers get to decide which orders they like.

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        This is just wrong. At the very least they could offer him a medical discharge.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          You don’t even get to choose your own haircut in the military.

          If these guys are on the front lines, do they really want to be facing a Covid outbreak of their own causing?

          The freedoms of soldiers aren’t supposed to be judged on the same yardstick as civilians.

          Let’s remember these are people who you’re allowed to shoot for non compliance.

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            You don’t even get to choose your own haircut in the military.

            If these guys are on the front lines, do they really want to be facing a Covid outbreak of their own causing?

            The freedoms of soldiers aren’t supposed to be judged on the same yardstick as civilians.

            Let’s remember these are people who you’re allowed to shoot for non compliance.

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            LuFins Dad
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            @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

            You don’t even get to choose your own haircut in the military.

            If these guys are on the front lines, do they really want to be facing a Covid outbreak of their own causing?

            Again, there is almost as much of a chance of a COVID outbreak if he is vaccinated… It will be less severe and less a threat, but just about as high of spread.

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              You don’t even get to choose your own haircut in the military.

              If these guys are on the front lines, do they really want to be facing a Covid outbreak of their own causing?

              The freedoms of soldiers aren’t supposed to be judged on the same yardstick as civilians.

              Let’s remember these are people who you’re allowed to shoot for non compliance.

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              Jolly
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              @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

              You don’t even get to choose your own haircut in the military.

              If these guys are on the front lines, do they really want to be facing a Covid outbreak of their own causing?

              The freedoms of soldiers aren’t supposed to be judged on the same yardstick as civilians.

              Let’s remember these are people who you’re allowed to shoot for non compliance.

              He has a heart condition. He has two tours in a combat theater. You want to give him a dishonorable.

              You're a low-life piece of shit for that one. Period.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                xenon
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                And to be clear - I’m not saying everyone should be forced to get a vaccine or that they’re beyond reproach.

                But - soldiers are supposed to follow orders and the military is within its right to ask soldiers to do much riskier things than anyone could ask a civilian to do.

                Subverting your own norms to take down the bigger perceived problem is what “TDS” was all about.

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                  Jolly
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                  Let’s remember these are people who you’re allowed to shoot for non compliance.

                  Uh, no.

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • JollyJ Jolly

                    @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                    You don’t even get to choose your own haircut in the military.

                    If these guys are on the front lines, do they really want to be facing a Covid outbreak of their own causing?

                    The freedoms of soldiers aren’t supposed to be judged on the same yardstick as civilians.

                    Let’s remember these are people who you’re allowed to shoot for non compliance.

                    He has a heart condition. He has two tours in a combat theater. You want to give him a dishonorable.

                    You're a low-life piece of shit for that one. Period.

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                    xenon
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                    @jolly so he’s healthy enough to be active duty - but the vaccine is the thing that’s going to bump him into permanent harm.

                    Based on what? I haven’t seen those studies.

                    Do soldiers get to make up their own risks?

                    This is bigger than one soldiers’ concerns.

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                      @jolly so he’s healthy enough to be active duty - but the vaccine is the thing that’s going to bump him into permanent harm.

                      Based on what? I haven’t seen those studies.

                      Do soldiers get to make up their own risks?

                      This is bigger than one soldiers’ concerns.

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                      Jolly
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                      @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                      @jolly so he’s healthy enough to be active duty - but the vaccine is the thing that’s going to bump him into permanent harm.

                      Based on what? I haven’t seen those studies.

                      Do soldiers get to make up their own risks?

                      This is bigger than one soldiers’ concerns.

                      No, it's not. This is America, not India, not China. While he may still be in the service, an individual still retains some basic rights. There is a distinct possibility of microclots or myocarditis with the vaccine. Some may be worse than others.

                      If he can show due medical cause for exemption, he should not have to take the jab. If the service wants to give him a Medical, fine. But unless you know what a dishonorable entails - and it's obvious as hell you don't - there is no reason to hang that millstone around his neck other than sheer punitive meaness.

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                        @jolly so he’s healthy enough to be active duty - but the vaccine is the thing that’s going to bump him into permanent harm.

                        Based on what? I haven’t seen those studies.

                        Do soldiers get to make up their own risks?

                        This is bigger than one soldiers’ concerns.

                        No, it's not. This is America, not India, not China. While he may still be in the service, an individual still retains some basic rights. There is a distinct possibility of microclots or myocarditis with the vaccine. Some may be worse than others.

                        If he can show due medical cause for exemption, he should not have to take the jab. If the service wants to give him a Medical, fine. But unless you know what a dishonorable entails - and it's obvious as hell you don't - there is no reason to hang that millstone around his neck other than sheer punitive meaness.

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                        @jolly said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                        @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                        @jolly so he’s healthy enough to be active duty - but the vaccine is the thing that’s going to bump him into permanent harm.

                        Based on what? I haven’t seen those studies.

                        Do soldiers get to make up their own risks?

                        This is bigger than one soldiers’ concerns.

                        No, it's not. This is America, not India, not China. While he may still be in the service, an individual still retains some basic rights. There is a distinct possibility of microclots or myocarditis with the vaccine. Some may be worse than others.

                        If he can show due medical cause for exemption, he should not have to take the jab. If the service wants to give him a Medical, fine. But unless you know what a dishonorable entails - and it's obvious as hell you don't - there is no reason to hang that millstone around his neck other than sheer punitive meaness.

                        It is indeed crazy to not have exemptions.

                        Please love yourself.

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                          xenon
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                          Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?

                          Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.

                          The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.

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                            xenon
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                            From the air forces own website - they have a medical exemption process:

                            Exemptions
                            Service members have the option to apply for medical or administrative exemption, including religious accommodations. The process for obtaining exemptions for all mandatory vaccinations is provided in AFI 48-110_IP, Immunizations and Chemoprophylaxis for the Prevention of Infectious Diseases, for medical exemptions, and DAFI 52-201, Religious Freedom in the Department of the Air Force, for religious accommodations. No exemptions from the vaccine will be approved solely because Airmen and Guardians have an approved retirement or separation date.

                            https://www.af.mil/News/Article-Display/Article/2765008/daf-announces-mandatory-covid-vaccine-implementation-guidelines-for-airmen-guar/

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                              Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?

                              Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.

                              The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.

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                              Jolly
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                              @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                              Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?

                              Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.

                              The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.

                              Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?

                                Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.

                                The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.

                                Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.

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                                @jolly said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?

                                Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.

                                The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.

                                Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.

                                Where’d you read that?

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                                  @jolly said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                  @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                  Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?

                                  Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.

                                  The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.

                                  Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.

                                  Where’d you read that?

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                                  @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                  @jolly said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                  @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                  Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?

                                  Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.

                                  The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.

                                  Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.

                                  Where’d you read that?

                                  Where's your Marine and Navy rules?

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                  • JollyJ Jolly

                                    @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                    @jolly said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                    @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                    Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?

                                    Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.

                                    The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.

                                    Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.

                                    Where’d you read that?

                                    Where's your Marine and Navy rules?

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                                    xenon
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                                    @jolly said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                    @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                    @jolly said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                    @xenon said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                    Well, what’s preventing him from showing a legitimate medical condition that would prevent him from safely getting the vax?

                                    Presumably you can ask for a medical exemption to military doctors and they’ll assess it. I’m guessing he did that.

                                    The issue is if you get to make up your own medical exemptions.

                                    Ah, reading comprehension is such a lost art...There are no medical exemptions, AFAIK.

                                    Where’d you read that?

                                    Where's your Marine and Navy rules?

                                    You’re the one asserting reading comprehension deficits on my end. So what’d I miss in your slanted article?

                                    Also if you read my link you’d see that it draws on a statute applying to all armed services.

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                                      It's for the Chair Force.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • JollyJ Jolly

                                        It's for the Chair Force.

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                                        xenon
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                                        @jolly said in The ❤ of a Marine:

                                        It's for the Chair Force.

                                        It’s not, reading comprehension guy:

                                        https://static.e-publishing.af.mil/production/1/af_sg/publication/afi48-110/afi48-110.pdf

                                        Your own article from the Seal thread talks about how soldiers who get a religious exemption for the vaccine are treated differently for deployment than people who get a medical exemption.

                                        Do you even read your own articles? Or are you just agreeing with the politics of the headline?

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                                          Both.

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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