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"Say, where is that mandate?"

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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
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    #3

    Somewhere I read that it's buried in the "infrastructure bill." It's on page 245 or something, in a 2500 page bill.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
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      #4

      https://www.forbes.com/sites/adamandrzejewski/2021/09/28/bidens-vax-mandate-to-be-enforced-by-fining-companies-70000-to-700000/?sh=6c5285c61c0d

      On Saturday, Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s House quietly tucked an enforcement mechanism into their $3.5 trillion “reconciliation” bill, passed it out of the Budget Committee, and sent it to the House floor.

      Buried on page 168 of the House Democrats’ 2,465-page mega bill is a tenfold increase in fines for employers that “willfully,” “repeatedly,” or even seriously violate a section of labor law that deals with hazards, death, or serious physical harm to their employees.

      The increased fines on employers could run as high as $70,000 for serious infractions, and $700,000 for willful or repeated violations—almost three-quarters of a million dollars for each fine. If enacted into law, vax enforcement could bankrupt non-compliant companies even more quickly than the $14,000 OSHA fine anticipated under Biden’s announced mandate.

      The Biden Administration has already started implementing its vaccine mandate enforcement blueprint:

      • The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) set precedent this summer and published an emergency Covid-19 rule in the Federal Register taking jurisdiction over and providing justification for Covid-19 being a workplace hazard for healthcare employment.
      • Early in September, Biden announced his 100-or-more employee Covid-19 vaccine mandate and tasked OSHA with drafting an enforcement rule to exert emergency vaccine compliance authority over companies with 100 or more employees.
      • The legislative provision that passed the Budget Committee raises the OSHA fines for non-compliance 10 times higher – and up to $700,000 for each “willful” or “repeated” violation. Speaker Nancy Pelosi has not announced when the House will vote on the reconciliation bill that includes the new OSHA fines.
      • If the legislation is enacted, OSHA could levy draconian fines to enforce Biden’s vaccine mandate, a move that could rapidly bankrupt non-compliant companies. The Biden mandate affects employers collectively employing an estimated 80 million workers.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • JollyJ Offline
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        Jolly
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        #5

        $700,000/worker?

        I guess Joe pines for the days of The Great Recession.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
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          #6

          This kind of stuff could bring his administration down. And maybe his party in 2022.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • CopperC Offline
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            Front page of the local paper today, the shipyard will terminate any employee or contractor not fully vaxed (2 shots) by Dec 8.

            This is a big deal, the Newport News shipyard is the biggest employer around here. This is where they build aircraft carriers.

            I believe this picture is the Enterprise being taken apart, I have been watching it get smaller for a few months now.

            ![alt text](bbf032cd-e4a6-43d7-9bf4-6a6e3ba9c4ce-image.png image url)

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #8

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              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #9

                So the mandate was announced.

                https://www.foxnews.com/politics/osha-covid-vaccine-mandate-labor-secretary-marty-walsh-interview

                Labor Secretary Marty Walsh told Fox News Thursday that the Occupational Safety and Health Administration COVID-19 vaccine rule introduced Thursday will ensure "safe and healthy workplaces for millions of Americans."

                Walsh argued that the mandate will help, not hurt, the economy, and that it is a legal action by the administration.

                Employers with more than 100 employees must ensure that all their workers are either fully vaccinated by Jan. 4 or subject to weekly testing and mask wearing. Fully vaccinated means that the employee has received two doses of Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech's shots, or one dose of Johnson & Johnson's shot.

                "The unmitigated spread of coronavirus in the workplace presents a grave danger of illness or death to unvaccinated workers," Walsh told Fox News. "This rule is well within OSHA’s authority under the OSH Act, and consistent with OSHA’s requirements to protect workers."

                "Grave danger."

                But we can wait two months:

                The Biden administration announced Thursday that its vaccine rules applying to private businesses with 100 or more employees, certain health care workers and federal contractors will take effect January 4.

                The rules stipulate that employees that fall into those groups will need to have received the necessary shots to be fully vaccinated, either two doses of Pfizer or Moderna's vaccine or one dose of Johnson & Johnson's vaccine, by January 4.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG George K

                  So the mandate was announced.

                  https://www.foxnews.com/politics/osha-covid-vaccine-mandate-labor-secretary-marty-walsh-interview

                  Labor Secretary Marty Walsh told Fox News Thursday that the Occupational Safety and Health Administration COVID-19 vaccine rule introduced Thursday will ensure "safe and healthy workplaces for millions of Americans."

                  Walsh argued that the mandate will help, not hurt, the economy, and that it is a legal action by the administration.

                  Employers with more than 100 employees must ensure that all their workers are either fully vaccinated by Jan. 4 or subject to weekly testing and mask wearing. Fully vaccinated means that the employee has received two doses of Moderna or Pfizer-BioNTech's shots, or one dose of Johnson & Johnson's shot.

                  "The unmitigated spread of coronavirus in the workplace presents a grave danger of illness or death to unvaccinated workers," Walsh told Fox News. "This rule is well within OSHA’s authority under the OSH Act, and consistent with OSHA’s requirements to protect workers."

                  "Grave danger."

                  But we can wait two months:

                  The Biden administration announced Thursday that its vaccine rules applying to private businesses with 100 or more employees, certain health care workers and federal contractors will take effect January 4.

                  The rules stipulate that employees that fall into those groups will need to have received the necessary shots to be fully vaccinated, either two doses of Pfizer or Moderna's vaccine or one dose of Johnson & Johnson's vaccine, by January 4.

                  CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
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                  @george-k said in "Say, where is that mandate?":

                  But we can wait two months:

                  And does it continue forever?

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                  • LuFins DadL Offline
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                    LuFins Dad
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                    #11

                    It’s early November. The decline has leveled off the last two weeks. In two months we’ll sitting at the top of the next wave…What’s up with Lambda?

                    The Brad

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      It’s early November. The decline has leveled off the last two weeks. In two months we’ll sitting at the top of the next wave…What’s up with Lambda?

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                      #12

                      @lufins-dad said in "Say, where is that mandate?":

                      It’s early November. The decline has leveled off the last two weeks. In two months we’ll sitting at the top of the next wave…What’s up with Lambda?

                      It can't compete with Delta. Delta plus and other variations will continue to be the most prevalent unless something crazy happens. Which is possible but less likely.

                      Please love yourself.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #13

                        It's just a TurleyTweet, but...

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #14

                          May not make much difference, as the big corporations have already begun to turn the wheel.

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #15

                            Dead. SCOTUS 6-3.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • George KG George K

                              Dead. SCOTUS 6-3.

                              LuFins DadL Offline
                              LuFins DadL Offline
                              LuFins Dad
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #16

                              @george-k What about the HHS?

                              The Brad

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                              • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                @george-k What about the HHS?

                                JollyJ Offline
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                                Jolly
                                wrote on last edited by
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                                @lufins-dad said in "Say, where is that mandate?":

                                @george-k What about the HHS?

                                Stands.

                                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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