Firing the Captain - a contrarian view
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wrote on 5 Apr 2020, 17:49 last edited by
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wrote on 6 Apr 2020, 02:35 last edited by
SECNAV speaks:
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wrote on 6 Apr 2020, 03:33 last edited by kluurs 4 Jun 2020, 17:00
This is the military. Everyone did the right thing. The officer did what he felt best and most appropriate for his crew. There's so much clutter in communication, that he felt he needed to do something out of bounds. He's not the first. At the same time, going out of bounds is not to be encouraged - and thus, it is appropriate for him to be relieved of command. He knew this was the likely outcome when he wrote the letter. It took courage. At the same time, his out-of-bounds conduct needed to be addressed and disciplined. Thus, the dismissal would appear appropriate.
Bad optics are a result of President Trump's recent actions - with the Navy Seal who had violated his code of conduct and who was pardoned by the President. The President also went after the prosecutors in that case. The claim will be made that he was compassionate with a war criminal and supportive of the dismissal of a humanitarian captain.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2020, 12:13 last edited by
And part of the bad optics is simply the MSM treating Trump, the way they treat Trump.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2020, 12:18 last edited by jon-nyc 4 Jun 2020, 12:22
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wrote on 6 Apr 2020, 12:31 last edited by
The crew doesn't matter.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2020, 12:36 last edited by jon-nyc 4 Jun 2020, 12:36
They mattered a lot to Captain Crozier.
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wrote on 6 Apr 2020, 12:38 last edited by
Yes, they did.
It changes nothing.
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wrote on 7 Apr 2020, 22:20 last edited by
Navy Secretary resigns over comments.
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wrote on 7 Apr 2020, 22:51 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in Firing the Captain - a contrarian view:
Navy Secretary resigns over comments.
His comments were out of line and undermine the chain of command and the respect for its structure. Never, ever, call someone who answers to you "stupid" (at least in public).
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I don’t know the details of this.
My reaction when I heard was that this, in conjunction with the stories of hospitals punishing people for complaining about conditions on the ground, really undermines our complaints about China covering up their Coronavirus problems.
wrote on 9 Apr 2020, 21:59 last edited by@jon-nyc said in Firing the Captain - a contrarian view:
My reaction when I heard was that this, in conjunction with the stories of hospitals punishing people for complaining about conditions on the ground, really undermines our complaints about China covering up their Coronavirus problems.
Yep, on both accounts. This is how China responds when we criticize their lack of transparency.
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wrote on 11 Nov 2020, 22:38 last edited by
An Outbreak of Covid-19 on an Aircraft Carrier
BACKGROUND
An outbreak of coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19) occurred on the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt, a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier with a crew of 4779 personnel.
METHODS
We obtained clinical and demographic data for all crew members, including results of testing by real-time reverse-transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (rRT-PCR). All crew members were followed up for a minimum of 10 weeks, regardless of test results or the absence of symptoms.
RESULTS
The crew was predominantly young (mean age, 27 years) and was in general good health, meeting U.S. Navy standards for sea duty. Over the course of the outbreak, 1271 crew members (26.6% of the crew) tested positive for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection by rRT-PCR testing, and more than 1000 infections were identified within 5 weeks after the first laboratory-confirmed infection. An additional 60 crew members had suspected Covid-19 (i.e., illness that met Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists clinical criteria for Covid-19 without a positive test result). Among the crew members with laboratory-confirmed infection, 76.9% (978 of 1271) had no symptoms at the time that they tested positive and 55.0% had symptoms develop at any time during the clinical course. Among the 1331 crew members with suspected or confirmed Covid-19, 23 (1.7%) were hospitalized, 4 (0.3%) received intensive care, and 1 died. Crew members who worked in confined spaces appeared more likely to become infected.
CONCLUSIONS
SARS-CoV-2 spread quickly among the crew of the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt. Transmission was facilitated by close-quarters conditions and by asymptomatic and presymptomatic infected crew members. Nearly half of those who tested positive for the virus never had symptoms. -
An Outbreak of Covid-19 on an Aircraft Carrier
BACKGROUND
An outbreak of coronavirus disease 2019 (Covid-19) occurred on the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt, a nuclear-powered aircraft carrier with a crew of 4779 personnel.
METHODS
We obtained clinical and demographic data for all crew members, including results of testing by real-time reverse-transcriptase polymerase chain reaction (rRT-PCR). All crew members were followed up for a minimum of 10 weeks, regardless of test results or the absence of symptoms.
RESULTS
The crew was predominantly young (mean age, 27 years) and was in general good health, meeting U.S. Navy standards for sea duty. Over the course of the outbreak, 1271 crew members (26.6% of the crew) tested positive for severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2) infection by rRT-PCR testing, and more than 1000 infections were identified within 5 weeks after the first laboratory-confirmed infection. An additional 60 crew members had suspected Covid-19 (i.e., illness that met Council of State and Territorial Epidemiologists clinical criteria for Covid-19 without a positive test result). Among the crew members with laboratory-confirmed infection, 76.9% (978 of 1271) had no symptoms at the time that they tested positive and 55.0% had symptoms develop at any time during the clinical course. Among the 1331 crew members with suspected or confirmed Covid-19, 23 (1.7%) were hospitalized, 4 (0.3%) received intensive care, and 1 died. Crew members who worked in confined spaces appeared more likely to become infected.
CONCLUSIONS
SARS-CoV-2 spread quickly among the crew of the U.S.S. Theodore Roosevelt. Transmission was facilitated by close-quarters conditions and by asymptomatic and presymptomatic infected crew members. Nearly half of those who tested positive for the virus never had symptoms.wrote on 12 Nov 2020, 02:14 last edited by@George-K No surprise, I dont think. It seems to agree with what we know about the COVID now.
- masks
- social distancing
- contact tracing
